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On 19/09/2022 at 14:33, Fifespud said:


I strongly voiced my opposition to appointing someone with a track record of abject mediocrity (no point in going over that ground as I highlight the negatives - you the positives and I’ll admit there have been some) but since then I’ve been very positive and supportive.
The managers job is to build the players confidence up, they can’t be total losers as about 75% of them got us promoted not much more than a year ago!
We’ve had 3 disappointing results against teams in our league and it’s got to stop otherwise it’s going to be another horrendous season and I’m not sure how many more we can take, the crowd is already dropping. Livi had less than 3000 at their game on Saturday, they don’t have a sugar daddy as far as I’m aware and they’re in the top 6. We must demand better.

After our game we were up to third, fifth now after Hearts/St Mirren wins, but we've got the smallest budget in the league. It's just that Martindale's recruitment has been phenomenal for about 5/6 years. He consistently finds gems, I think a lot of that is down to stats based recruitment but there's also the fact that he can spot a player by eye pretty easily. More than just money, that's a staff personnel skill set thing. 

We've had two top 6 finishes, and not been too far off Europe in both of those. We finished 6th last season pretty easily too. The point about a manager with a record of mediocrity makes sense but what proven and strong manager is going to come to Scotland if they aren't here already, let alone going to the second tier.

Even guys like Alexander struggled at Motherwell.

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8 hours ago, DieDee said:

A referee that can do his job, and he was well positioned for the should have been a penalty and red card decision, and we would have won on Saturday.

Legzdins instead of Sharp and the first 2 goals wouldn't have happened. 

That said I'm far from pleased about Saturday and like most on here I think the line-up was a shocker. However, I'm not in agreement about some of the performances. I though Marshall was fine (that 2nd goal was down to Sharp, not even sure their player would have kept it in play), Sweeney was ok, scored and was unlucky with that 2nd booking. 

French played ok but was frequently out of position, I don't think it looks like his natural position. On top of that, the reward for Cammy, who has been playing well as RB, covering LB is to be dropped. That looks like a manager favouring players he has signed, never a good thing for squad morale. Of the 4 he has signed, who all started, only Robinson has impressed so far, though Grayson wasn't bad on Saturday. That said I don't know why Robinson was hooked as at least he can hold the ball up, Rudden was totally out of it given the gameplan of lumping it forward.

Why go for a lump it forward when playing on the ground has suited us much better? Why drop, or not even bring on Cameron, the brightest spark over the last couple of games. He can make a bigger impact and play better through balls than McGinn so why not play him?

I believe this squad can win this league if managed properly, Saturday was worrying

I was in line with the penalty box for their penalty.  Marshall just stopped running.  The Inverness player did not - despite Marshall being at least two yards in front of him.  Yes, Sharp was also to blame but I didn’t hear a shout from Sharp or Marshall (absolute basics) so Marshall should have ushered the ball out and if at any time he thought the Inverness player could get the ball he should have booted the ball onto the roof of Tip Top.  

It was either lazy defending by Marshall or he was completely unaware of the danger.  Either way it’s not good defending.

ETA Sweeney is having a nightmare season.  He’s certainly not a captain.

Just my opinions of course.

 

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10 minutes ago, Shadow Play said:

I was in line with the penalty box for their penalty.  Marshall just stopped running.  The Inverness player did not - despite Marshall being at least two yards in front of him.  Yes, Sharp was also to blame but I didn’t hear a shout from Sharp or Marshall (absolute basics) so Marshall should have ushered the ball out and if at any time he thought the Inverness player could get the ball he should have booted the ball onto the roof of Tip Top.  

It was either lazy defending by Marshall or he was completely unaware of the danger.  Either way it’s not good defending.

ETA Sweeney is having a nightmare season.  He’s certainly not a captain.

Just my opinions of course.

 

Opposite end of the ground so didn't really see it in real time, saw it on the ict highlights though, and you're right, absolutely shocking defending from Marshall. Starting to get right on my tits the amount of goals this guy is flogging. I would punt him.

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After our game we were up to third, fifth now after Hearts/St Mirren wins, but we've got the smallest budget in the league. It's just that Martindale's recruitment has been phenomenal for about 5/6 years. He consistently finds gems, I think a lot of that is down to stats based recruitment but there's also the fact that he can spot a player by eye pretty easily. More than just money, that's a staff personnel skill set thing. 

We've had two top 6 finishes, and not been too far off Europe in both of those. We finished 6th last season pretty easily too. The point about a manager with a record of mediocrity makes sense but what proven and strong manager is going to come to Scotland if they aren't here already, let alone going to the second tier.

Even guys like Alexander struggled at Motherwell.

I think my second post agrees with you in a lot of ways, I’m saying employ someone with a record of success at a lower level and hope they can continue their trajectory.
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Opposite end of the ground so didn't really see it in real time, saw it on the ict highlights though, and you're right, absolutely shocking defending from Marshall. Starting to get right on my tits the amount of goals this guy is flogging. I would punt him.

It’s remarkable how many goals we lose down his side. I used to think he was unlucky but I’ve come to the conclusion he can’t defend for toffee.
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2 hours ago, Fifespud said:


I think my second post agrees with you in a lot of ways, I’m saying employ someone with a record of success at a lower level and hope they can continue their trajectory.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, no idea who you'd actually go for though. Guys like Hopkin that would've fit into that 5 years ago haven't actually done well

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On 19/09/2022 at 20:17, Fifespud said:

That’s not really my job but as I said at the time maybe someone who had just had 2 promotions in 3 seasons well down the pyramid, someone from Scandinavia, maybe someone from Australia because their players are flooding our premiership leading me to think that’s where the gems in the rough are.

It's probably a moot point because everything we've heard has suggested that Hammell was a lock for the job and the others we spoke to were part of process but either way this was a really weird thing for CCM to Tweet out from their official.

It seems we had Nick Montgomery on the shortlist to replace Alexander and according to the article that's linked it was off the back of a recruitment algorithm.

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"It's believed Montgomery's named flashed up on Motherwell's radar through an algorithm the club has adopted to identify coaches who can source, mould and ultimately sell on young talent, much in the way the Yorkshireman has recently accomplished with likes of Kye Rowles and Lewis Miller, both of home are ironically now based in the Scottish Premiership"

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21 hours ago, ATLIS said:

Even guys like Alexander struggled at Motherwell.

I mean, did he?

Not to white knight Alexander (or overly post about Motherwell in the Dundee thread) but he took us from joint bottom of the league to a comfortable 8th (we finished on the same points as 7th - 15 points clear of relegation and 9 points clear of the play-off). In his only full season he secured Top 6 and qualified for Europe.

He finished 2021 with the 3rd highest points total in the league for the calendar year. He's the only manager outside the OF teams to win MOM 3 times in a calendar year - the only other managers to have done so have been Neil Lennon, Steven Gerrard, Alex McLeish, Brendan Rodgers and Gordon Strachan.

He was by no means a popular manager and everything we've heard subsequent to his departure suggests that he'd lost the dressing room. Like every Motherwell manager he hit a poor run of form (Jan 22 - March 22). It seems the board had reservations about the direction we were going with him and the Sligo result put the tin lid on it but his win % as Motherwell manager was 39.1% compared with other "successful" Motherwell managers like Stephen Robinson (42%) and Stuart McCall (42.5%).

As I say, he wasn't popular, neither fans nor it seems players enjoyed his specific brand of murderball and he misjudged a fair amount of stuff but I don't think he "struggled".

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Good thing about this break is it gives the guys with wee niggles a chance to ice it up, or guys like Sheridan another few days of match fitness,

bowyer also gets to have a right look at osei and any other guy that He wants a look at

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3 hours ago, capt_oats said:

It's probably a moot point because everything we've heard has suggested that Hammell was a lock for the job and the others we spoke to were part of process but either way this was a really weird thing for CCM to Tweet out from their official.

It seems we had Nick Montgomery on the shortlist to replace Alexander and according to the article that's linked it was off the back of a recruitment algorithm.

We had an algorithm that brought in...

 

Spoiler

Jim McIntyre who brought in...

Spoiler

Martin fucking Woods 😪

 

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1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Goal against the dirty dayglo's has to be my favourite, wish the net hadn't been there and it could've smashed one of them in the pus.

Thank you.

If I ever get married in getting you to write my vows. Brought me to tears, such beautiful words.

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Thank you very much Charlie Adam on behalf of Mrs TCM's Stoke City 'Mighty Potters'.

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Also thank you very much from me, who knows what may have been achieved in your two seasons at Dens with a professional manager in charge and even some decent players around you.

Until we welcome you again at Dens my man. Cheers and good health.

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