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[RossBFaeDundee]

3 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Gonna just say it, but expect pelters, Mulligan hasn't shown anything since possibly the Arbroath game. Been off the boil for weeks. Absolute least of our worries admittedly, but really needing him to take games by the scruff of their neck more than he is.

I think it's cos he's being played more on the wing because there's this thought that he's better up there, but I much preferred him in centre midfield. All of the moments he's had this season that he's been praised for have came from him taking the ball in the middle, turning to face the opponents' goal and storming right at their defence to take them on.

I'd say Niall McGinn should be in his position opposite McMullan, but with how infuriatingly lazy he was throughout his whole appearance I'm not surprised he's been punted down to reserves. Genuinely mental how badly we're missing Luke McCowan.

[Ludo*1]

Legzdins is a quality keeper. I know he had his issues last season but that was because he was injured.

Statistically - he kept more clean sheets for us last season than Bain did in 2 of his 3 seasons at Dens despite only managing 24 of the 38 games.

In fact, it's utterly mental to me that Legzdins is only 7 clean sheets off the TOTAL Bain kept despite playing 79 fewer games.

Legzdins stats back up.

He's not a keeper that's gonna pull off that wonder save and he is gonna drop the odd clanger because he's tried to be dominant in his box. But he is a quality goalkeeper.

It's criminal he's not playing IMO.

[micaley68]

2 hours ago, rainbowrising said:

In the space of 7 league games we have conceded 3 to Thistle, 3 to Ayr, 3 to ICT. However, today showed we are the better team and with a couple of tweaks and stop making mistakes we will win the league. Nope.

Aye, and if yer maw had baw's!

[RossBFaeDundee]

An unfamiliar face warming up before the game, David Young snapped a couple photos of him. Someone on TDBF said we'd brought in two strikers in on trial, might be one of them?

[Fifespud]

Gonna just say it, but expect pelters, Mulligan hasn't shown anything since possibly the Arbroath game. Been off the boil for weeks. Absolute least of our worries admittedly, but really needing him to take games by the scruff of their neck more than he is.

No you’re right Ludo, he has been a shadow of the player we’ve seen previously. Maybe it is because he is being played out of position.
Max Anderson, who was the only light for most of last season is completely out of the picture and a Rangers youngster, a 6th level player from England and a centre half are currently filling their positions.
Bowyer seems like a genuinely decent bloke, comes over really well in the media etc but his managerial record (as I’ve said before) screams mediocrity.
The issues you’ve highlighted, Sweeney etc, are at his door, and he better get things sorted PDQ or things will get nasty for him.

[K.T]

14 hours ago, invergowrie arab said:

Bottom of the league and yous are still a bigger minter

Thank-you 

Every team in the top four leagues of Scottish football have won a game this season… apart from Dundee United. Fair play to youse taking the role of the city’s banter club this season, it’s 100 been entertaining. Pure cinch.

[Highlandmagar]

So good to see you running away with this league!

[Juantwothree]

11 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

I think it's cos he's being played more on the wing because there's this thought that he's better up there, but I much preferred him in centre midfield. All of the moments he's had this season that he's been praised for have came from him taking the ball in the middle, turning to face the opponents' goal and storming right at their defence to take them on.

I'd say Niall McGinn should be in his position opposite McMullan, but with how infuriatingly lazy he was throughout his whole appearance I'm not surprised he's been punted down to reserves. Genuinely mental how badly we're missing Luke McCowan.

How long is McCowan out for?

[Yenitit]

Anyone starting to have the fear about our manager? Crazy team selection and the double substitution killed us yesterday. 
 

Not happy with the lack of game time that Anderson is getting either. 

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

18 minutes ago, Yenitit said:

Anyone starting to have the fear about our manager? Crazy team selection and the double substitution killed us yesterday. 
 

Not happy with the lack of game time that Anderson is getting either. 

Me. Absolute nonsense line up yesterday, although thought we looked better when McGowan came on.

[Shadow Play]

42 minutes ago, Yenitit said:

Anyone starting to have the fear about our manager? Crazy team selection and the double substitution killed us yesterday. 
 

Not happy with the lack of game time that Anderson is getting either. 

From what I’ve seen so far he appears to be a ‘man manager’ type as opposed to being a tactical genius.  Because of that I think he probably wants to show loyalty to his captain.  This is all good and well when everything is ticking along nicely.  Unfortunately Sweeney and Ashcroft are both slow to turn and run.  They simply cannot be played together.  McGhee needs to be in there with one of them (assuming French stays as a full back).  So which one do you drop?  Unfortunately for Sweeney he has had a terrible season so far and needs dropped - for the good of the team and himself.

As for Marshall and Sharp.  The incident that leads to the penalty sums them both up.  Marshall appears oblivious to the ICT player behind him and stops, waiting for the keeper to come for the ball.  What happened to the Sunday League basic rule that as a defender you follow the ball to protect your keeper?  Marshall was 2 yards closer to the ball than the ICT player so could easily have got to the ball.  I was sitting in the section of the main stand nearest the Bobby Cox stand and did not hear Sharp shout either for the ball or for Marshall to clear it.  Indecision like that from a keeper leads to a shaky defence, no matter how good the defenders are.  Sharp then lunges at the ICT player.  Would the player have scored with such a tight angle?  I don’t think so.

Get Marshall, Sweeney and Sharp out the team as an absolute minimum.

On a separate note McGinn is not interested and is just topping up his pension.

 

 

[Yenitit]

9 minutes ago, Shadow Play said:

From what I’ve seen so far he appears to be a ‘man manager’ type as opposed to being a tactical genius.  Because of that I think he probably wants to show loyalty to his captain.  This is all good and well when everything is ticking along nicely.  Unfortunately Sweeney and Ashcroft are both slow to turn and run.  They simply cannot be played together.  McGhee needs to be in there with one of them (assuming French stays as a full back).  So which one do you drop?  Unfortunately for Sweeney he has had a terrible season so far and needs dropped - for the good of the team and himself.

As for Marshall and Sharp.  The incident that leads to the penalty sums them both up.  Marshall appears oblivious to the ICT player behind him and stops, waiting for the keeper to come for the ball.  What happened to the Sunday League basic rule that as a defender you follow the ball to protect your keeper?  Marshall was 2 yards closer to the ball than the ICT player so could easily have got to the ball.  I was sitting in the section of the main stand nearest the Bobby Cox stand and did not hear Sharp shout either for the ball or for Marshall to clear it.  Indecision like that from a keeper leads to a shaky defence, no matter how good the defenders are.  Sharp then lunges at the ICT player.  Would the player have scored with such a tight angle?  I don’t think so.

Get Marshall, Sweeney and Sharp out the team as an absolute minimum.

On a separate note McGinn is not interested and is just topping up his pension.

 

 

Very good post imo. 
 

The penalty about sums up Marshall tbh. Not a defender. 
 

I’m not for chasing the manager out the door but yesterday and the Ayr games have me worried. Bizarre selection and substitutions. I’d be peed off if I was Anderson or Cameron.  

[Dundee-FC92]

Don't agree on the large percentage thinking McGinn is a waste of a wage. 

He's not lazy, his legs are simply gone from what they used to be. He's not the players who bombed up and down the line for Aberdeen so if that's what you're expecting it's miles off. 

What he can still give us is a bit of composure on the ball (which we've lacked so much this season at times) and the ability to find balls that nobody else in our team is capable of. There was one ball yesterday he slid to French through the gap in ICT defence and it was a piece of class. 

There's games he couldn't play because of the aforementioned loss of pace (if we needed to track a winger) but in games when we're at home or expected to have alot of the ball i'd have him on the pitch. He would've done alot better for us than Mulligan yesterday who isn't a winger. 

Thank you.

[johnnydun]

1 hour ago, Dundee-FC92 said:

Don't agree on the large percentage thinking McGinn is a waste of a wage. 

He's not lazy, his legs are simply gone from what they used to be. He's not the players who bombed up and down the line for Aberdeen so if that's what you're expecting it's miles off. 

What he can still give us is a bit of composure on the ball (which we've lacked so much this season at times) and the ability to find balls that nobody else in our team is capable of. There was one ball yesterday he slid to French through the gap in ICT defence and it was a piece of class. 

There's games he couldn't play because of the aforementioned loss of pace (if we needed to track a winger) but in games when we're at home or expected to have alot of the ball i'd have him on the pitch. He would've done alot better for us than Mulligan yesterday who isn't a winger. 

Thank you.

I agree, still a regular for Northern Ireland and was captain this time last year. Don't expect him to do much defending but his final ball is the best we currently have at the club.

[Girth]

I’m still convinced Gal is the man for the job but he needs to tighten it up at the back. 

He should pick up the phone and ask for…

[Derry Alli]

Ole! Ole! Ole? Ole!

Hartley!

Hartley!

[Ludo*1]

As soon as Bowyer leaves Dundee, I know who I'll be touting for the Dundee job.

[Shadow Play]

33 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

I agree, still a regular for Northern Ireland and was captain this time last year. Don't expect him to do much defending but his final ball is the best we currently have at the club.

We all see games differently but I’m just not seeing international captain performances when he’s playing for us, although I do accept he has a decent delivery.  

Was McGinn not one of the players Bowyer was hoping to move on?  If so, do you think it is maybe more to do with the wages he’s bound to be on?

[Dundee-FC92]

1 hour ago, Shadow Play said:

We all see games differently but I’m just not seeing international captain performances when he’s playing for us, although I do accept he has a decent delivery.  

Was McGinn not one of the players Bowyer was hoping to move on?  If so, do you think it is maybe more to do with the wages he’s bound to be on?

Not sure he was. It looked during the cup games that McGinn had won his place in the starting 11. Looked alot fitter than he did last season. Maybe it was because we were playing against lesser opposition that we dominated his ball distrubution and perfomarmances looked better. 

He started the Partick opening game and was dragged off at 3 0 and has never started again. 

Don't think the plan was to let him go. If we go out and beat Partick i assume he starts the next game. 

Personally the next three fixtures i'd be playing him against teams likely to sit back. 

Thank you. 

[Fifespud]

Out of the 3 right sided wide players we have, from what I’ve seen, young Cameron definitely deserves game time. Very direct, more likely to score than nae neck and pretty scary for Championship defences.