johnnydun Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rugbypark said: Crazy not to share a ground and Dundee City would be a great idea. If you had any vision, you could have a new ground with a base support of 15000 and the whole area behind a team with a real chance of success. Bollocks. Like the recent league success of Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs? That's just a nonsense argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Why not merge? Just call the new entity Dundee Utility, you're all pals anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Looking at it logically (yes, I know football regularly defies logic on many levels) but I think Keyes must now realise that building the stadium, and therefore making money, is looking less likely as time goes on. Likewise Ogren must already realise the chances of making a decent amount of money out of United is slim. All the talk of making our top league significantly more valuable in terms of TV rights is just delusional. If you exclude the Old Firm there is very little interest around the world for Scottish football. Yet with them we know there can only be two possible winners of the league for the next 40 years - almost 40 years since a team outside the Old Firm won the league. Thank you Aberdeen. Do Keyes or Ogren have any previous strong links to their respective clubs and this city? They are both successful business people who presumably wish to continue making money. I’m not suggesting there have been talks of a merger as I have no inside knowledge around these matters but it wouldn’t surprise me if all options are, or at least have been, explored by both parties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, tree house tam said: Why not merge? Just call the new entity Dundee Utility, you're all pals anyway. I thought it was you and United that were pals, the 'Dundee Haters'. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 It will be a groundshare, not even Nelms is thick enough to think a merger is feasible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodstuff Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, Shadow Play said: Looking at it logically (yes, I know football regularly defies logic on many levels) but I think Keyes must now realise that building the stadium, and therefore making money, is looking less likely as time goes on. Likewise Ogren must already realise the chances of making a decent amount of money out of United is slim. All the talk of making our top league significantly more valuable in terms of TV rights is just delusional. If you exclude the Old Firm there is very little interest around the world for Scottish football. Yet with them we know there can only be two possible winners of the league for the next 40 years - almost 40 years since a team outside the Old Firm won the league. Thank you Aberdeen. Do Keyes or Ogren have any previous strong links to their respective clubs and this city? They are both successful business people who presumably wish to continue making money. I’m not suggesting there have been talks of a merger as I have no inside knowledge around these matters but it wouldn’t surprise me if all options are, or at least have been, explored by both parties. This is even more desperate than the usual scottish futba’s shyte quotes efter going DOON. There’s always Arbroath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: It will be a groundshare, not even Nelms is thick enough to think a merger is feasible. I wouldn’t bet on that Biggie. Nelms has had nothing meaningful to convey for some time. He’s so scared to show intelligence in case it might smear his lovely career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Goodstuff said: This is even more desperate than the usual scottish futba’s shyte quotes efter going DOON. There’s always Arbroath. Try to keep up. I’ve commented on several occasions over the years just how bad Scottish football is. It was also said in the context of making money from investing in a Scottish club. Thank you. Edited March 21, 2022 by Shadow Play 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Shadow Play said: I wouldn’t bet on that Biggie. Nelms has had nothing meaningful to convey for some time. He’s so scared to show intelligence in case it might smear his lovely career. Yeah, there's a right crashing bore on the last couple of pages, as well. Thank you. Edited March 21, 2022 by Bigmouth Strikes Again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodstuff Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Shadow Play said: Try to keep up. I’ve commented on several occasions over the years just how bad Scottish football is. It was also said in the context of making money from investing in a Scottish club. Thank you. Sorry, the futbas shyte comment wasn't aimed at you personally, just your fellow fans in general. Danke shon. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, johnnydun said: I thought it was you and United that were pals, the 'Dundee Haters'. I don't hate anyone. Make love not war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I’d imagine if they 2 are meeting it’ll be as part of the group of 5 clubs who have Deloitte working for them, or whoever the company is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Shadow Play said: Looking at it logically (yes, I know football regularly defies logic on many levels) but I think Keyes must now realise that building the stadium, and therefore making money, is looking less likely as time goes on. Likewise Ogren must already realise the chances of making a decent amount of money out of United is slim. All the talk of making our top league significantly more valuable in terms of TV rights is just delusional. If you exclude the Old Firm there is very little interest around the world for Scottish football. Yet with them we know there can only be two possible winners of the league for the next 40 years - almost 40 years since a team outside the Old Firm won the league. Thank you Aberdeen. Do Keyes or Ogren have any previous strong links to their respective clubs and this city? They are both successful business people who presumably wish to continue making money. I’m not suggesting there have been talks of a merger as I have no inside knowledge around these matters but it wouldn’t surprise me if all options are, or at least have been, explored by both parties. How does a merger make them any more money? Dumping two money drains together does not a profit make. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon gilmore Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Rugbypark said: Crazy not to share a ground and Dundee City would be a great idea. If you had any vision, you could have a new ground with a base support of 15000 and the whole area behind a team with a real chance of success. Apart from the 80s being one team in city slightly bigger than Dundee hasn’t got Aberdeen much success, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 hours ago, ArabFC said: How does a merger make them any more money? Dumping two money drains together does not a profit make. Without even putting thought into it - reduced costs. Synergy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Without even putting thought into it - reduced costs. Synergy. Ever gone half's on a taxi? That but much bigger numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbypark Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Apart from the 80s being one team in city slightly bigger than Dundee hasn’t got Aberdeen much success, Agreed, but by any logic a bigger budget and more resources overall, makes it more of a possibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rugbypark said: Agreed, but by any logic a bigger budget and more resources overall, makes it more of a possibility. Not true. The Rangers have spent millions, but only have 1 title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 11 hours ago, ArabFC said: How does a merger make them any more money? Dumping two money drains together does not a profit make. To keep this brief, there would be obvious cost savings. There would also likely be a revenue increase both in terms of crowds and sponsorship, particularly over the medium to long term. Again, I would wish to stress I am not advocating a merger. I am merely pointing out any possible financial rationale behind a merger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Shadow Play said: To keep this brief, there would be obvious cost savings. There would also likely be a revenue increase both in terms of crowds and sponsorship, particularly over the medium to long term. Again, I would wish to stress I am not advocating a merger. I am merely pointing out any possible financial rationale behind a merger. Even if you take the view that one club would have more fans than either of the existing, you'll certainly have less than you do from the two collectively. So revenue (be that sponsorship, TV rights, ticket and merchandise sales) is down, not up. It might be up pro rata but you've got two owners. Is one of them making a profit by selling up? I think not. You can try to claim reduce costs, but the new club owner is straight back into the same game. A slightly bigger fanbase - if you believe that would happen - demands the better players that come with any increase in revenue you believe might occur. Scottish fitba will never ever make anybody any money. Combining two clubs into one ain't going to change that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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