Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said: Not really. The joy at HMFC's administration, from multiple fanbases, renders that charming and romantic notion redundant, I'm afraid. Similarly John Nelm's changing Dundee's vote in the Covid season. Anyway, Dundee are in and out of administration so often, it's not as if it's a big deal for them anymore. It's a bit like 'Red' from The Shawshank Redemption, they are 'administrationalised'. They probably prefer being in administration, as it's all they really know now. The problems tend to arrive when they are back out in the real world, and trying to run their club themselves again. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) It's all immaterial anyway. It's been pretty obvious for a while, that a merger is on the cards. In all honesty, St Johnstone should probably be on the blower to ask for a three-way. The Tayside Terrors or something similar would do. It's not like many people would give a toss anyway. Edited October 6, 2021 by Kyle Reese 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I'd honestly completely forgotten the sensational meltdown from Hearts fans last Summer until seeing that. Nice to see its still simmering away in the background. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 04/10/2021 at 09:55, capt_oats said: I think this impression for me goes back to McCann coming out and highlighting that Dundee's scouting department was pretty much non-existent but a step forward was getting a WyScout subscription or whatever. I mean, even @RandomGuy. has a WyScout subscription now...it's a pretty basic thing. Even Saints have a data analysis department now, and a Head of Recruitment. From what I know, Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, and St Johnstone all have analysis based recruitment as options to varying degrees with departments/staff centred around recruitment. Ross County mentioned bringing in something along those lines when McKay was appointed too. No idea about St Mirren, but they're desperate to prove themselves as a progressive club so I doubt they'd be ignoring it. If Dundee don't have a genuine recruitment specialist at the club then they're already a step behind the rest of the top flight. It's obviously not a guarantee of success, and you can make good signings without these things, but I'd reckon Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs will start making smarter, cheaper, signings as they improve and learn how these things work so they'll start cutting into the potential player base of clubs below them. Both companies Motherwell have went with, especially AI Abacus, specialise in players outside the UK and have built in systems to search for players who will get a permit, which gives them access to an even bigger market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee-FC92 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Even Saints have a data analysis department now, and a Head of Recruitment. From what I know, Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, and St Johnstone all have analysis based recruitment as options to varying degrees with departments/staff centred around recruitment. Ross County mentioned bringing in something along those lines when McKay was appointed too. No idea about St Mirren, but they're desperate to prove themselves as a progressive club so I doubt they'd be ignoring it. If Dundee don't have a genuine recruitment specialist at the club then they're already a step behind the rest of the top flight. It's obviously not a guarantee of success, and you can make good signings without these things, but I'd reckon Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs will start making smarter, cheaper, signings as they improve and learn how these things work so they'll start cutting into the potential player base of clubs below them. Both companies Motherwell have went with, especially AI Abacus, specialise in players outside the UK and have built in systems to search for players who will get a permit, which gives them access to an even bigger market. Wow. This forum is really eye bleeding at the moment. We absolutely won't be winning against Aberdeen either so things are quite bleak at the minute. At least Hearts is a good day out and you can forget about the result to a degree. I think we all got swept away on the wave of promotion but when the tide has calmed we are seeing the captain of our shoddily constructed ship still making catastrophic errors. We improved from playing two natural wingers and now find ourselves back in the never ending cycle of McGowan being out wide. Taking Byrne off at Perth was completely inexcusable, especially when McGowan was put into a central midfield two which we know can't happen from around 2015 when he failed miserably in said position. People saying Kerr has been decent are having a laugh. He's made big errors and contributes absolutely nothing. That's the issue for me; sometimes we don't see him much in a game and people give him credit. I'm afraid if we're wanting to progress we need a right back who can actually impact games and improve us as a whole, not simply make it through the ninety minutes unseen. McPake deserved time because ultimately if we strip it all down he gained promotion last season. For me that time lasts until November: Aberdeen, Hearts, County, St Mirren before a quiet November. If we don't pick up points in that time Nelms must act. Show us that some sort of learning goes on in that depleted skull and stop making batshit mental decisions McPake or take a hike. Thank you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Even Saints have a data analysis department now, and a Head of Recruitment. From what I know, Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, and St Johnstone all have analysis based recruitment as options to varying degrees with departments/staff centred around recruitment. Ross County mentioned bringing in something along those lines when McKay was appointed too. No idea about St Mirren, but they're desperate to prove themselves as a progressive club so I doubt they'd be ignoring it. If Dundee don't have a genuine recruitment specialist at the club then they're already a step behind the rest of the top flight. It's obviously not a guarantee of success, and you can make good signings without these things, but I'd reckon Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs will start making smarter, cheaper, signings as they improve and learn how these things work so they'll start cutting into the potential player base of clubs below them. Both companies Motherwell have went with, especially AI Abacus, specialise in players outside the UK and have built in systems to search for players who will get a permit, which gives them access to an even bigger market. Aye, there was also that TransferRoom patter that Hibs, Rangers and ourselves were involved in: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-hibs-motherwells-transferroom-ticket-24305484 Like I say, no shade on Dundee there's absolutely nothing that says they have to set up a recruitment department or anything. This isn't a look at what Motherwell do type post. Even then it's probably as much about getting the right people involved and having a strong idea of what you're looking to achieve for it to be successful (given his track record with managers would anyone have faith in Nelms to hire a HoR?). From the outside looking in it feels like Nelms doesn't really have a clear vision for what the "football" element of the club looks like certainly compared to someone like Burrows (for example). I clearly don't know the guy but it definitely feels like it's the case that the "football department" is entirely handed over to the manager, which is...fine? Whether Strachan's involvement is part of that IDK but the impression I get from reading what Dees have been saying about WGS, his involvement seems more about shaping the Academy rather than a top down "football department" thing. I could be miles off base there though. If there are questions about "value" etc then as I said in that big daft post in reply to @DeeTillEhDeh the other day it's probably worth looking at the issues McCann highlighted (this was July 2017) and whether they've actually been addressed, especially given that a "name" signing like Griffiths has a strong personal connection to McPake. Again, from looking at other clubs it's something that seems to come from board-level. If the club is comfortable with just leaving it to McPake to phone up his pals then fair fucks to them, and I say that with zero snark. It's just interesting that a fair number of the other clubs in the league are actively investing in their recruitment operations. Edited October 6, 2021 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 It's all immaterial anyway. It's been pretty obvious for a while, that a merger is on the cards. In all honesty, St Johnstone should probably be on the blower to ask for a three-way. The Tayside Terrors or something similar would do. It's not like many people would give a toss anyway. I thought you were a saints fan tbh. Hearts though, that's even funnier [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 54 minutes ago, capt_oats said: It's just interesting that a fair number of the other clubs in the league are actively investing in their recruitment operations. Think they key thing for a lot of clubs is getting the right person in to oversee it. I'd guess every club uses WyScout to look at players, but if you've not got an expert involved then you'll find yourself making signings like Neil McCann did in Mendy, Wolters and Moussa. Celtic a great example of why you have to have an expert eye then watching players identified by data. Shane Duffy comes out great in data but everyone knew he would be a poor fit swapping a defensive Brighton side for an expansive Celtic side and an expert would've identified that. Half arsing the whole set up is worse than not having one maybe. Yourselves with the tie ins with companies will need someone whos great at watching players or evaluating them, which I think you'll have, as a lot of these companies never actually watch football at our level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Fucking hell. Thank you. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifespud Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Dear dear. It’s Friday we go into admin isn’t it? Thank fuck. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I see that Charlie's brother got the jail. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ex-rangers-scotland-stargrantadamjailed-forstealing-25158742 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUAFC Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 13:45, Kyle Reese said: It's all immaterial anyway. It's been pretty obvious for a while, that a merger is on the cards. In all honesty, St Johnstone should probably be on the blower to ask for a three-way. The Tayside Terrors or something similar would do. It's not like many people would give a toss anyway. Flash back to the late, great Wallace Mercer..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Greg Stewart in the Courier saying McPake was texting him all summer to join. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 10 hours ago, johnnydun said: I see that Charlie's brother got the jail. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ex-rangers-scotland-stargrantadamjailed-forstealing-25158742 He'll be signing for Livi soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: Greg Stewart in the Courier saying McPake was texting him all summer to join. FFS McPake. Who texts in this day and age!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon gilmore Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, Girth said: FFS McPake. Who texts in this day and age!? Me but then again but being 66 now I’m a bit of a dinosaur, i text all the time , saves ackward goodbyes ha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Greg Stewart in the Courier saying McPake was texting him all summer to join. No surprise there tbh, he's always looking for a signing coup and that was the obvious one. At least he was trying I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 minute ago, RossBFaeDundee said: No surprise there tbh, he's always looking for a signing coup and that was the obvious one. At least he was trying I suppose. He also said he wants to return 'if the timing is right' but wanted to experience football abroad before he hangs up his boots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: He also said he wants to return 'if the timing is right' but wanted to experience football abroad before he hangs up his boots. All the best to him over there, but I think we all know 'if the time is right' equates to 'when I'm auld and can't get a gig anywhere better'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: All the best to him over there, but I think we all know 'if the time is right' equates to 'when I'm auld and can't get a gig anywhere better'. Meh, the time was right for Charlie Adam. I reckon if we stay up, GGS will be wearing Dark Blue next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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