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1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Good signing policy from McPake, IMO, players in their early twenties, (wanting to progress/no fear) got enough experience in the squad, so can accommodate this.

Yep, beats signing the same journeyman over and over.

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2 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Tbf, seems like he'd mostly be a squad player, and having an extra defensive option definitely isn't a bad thing imo.

 

1 hour ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Luton fans seem quite high on him FWIW. Asked a couple, and while their knowledge too is limited due to his lack of first team game time, they say from what they have seen of him that he seems composed on the ball, decent in the air, strong and composed.

Here's hoping it works out if we do indeed decide to bring him in on loan.

 

1 hour ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

Good signing policy from McPake, IMO, players in their early twenties, (wanting to progress/no fear) got enough experience in the squad, so can accommodate this.

 

25 minutes ago, The Derry said:

Yep, beats signing the same journeyman over and over.

I do like the way he is going signing loan guys in their early 20's, however last season we got guy on the Spurs fringes, now we are looking at a guy that can't get a game for Luton. That's what I meant.

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Appears on the surface to be a healthy Charlie Adam input and influence regarding our previous signing Ryan Sweeney, obviously being an ex Stoke City colleague and now his manager in his final season at the Potteries Nathan Jones is also willing to loan a player from Luton Town in the English Championship. Coincidence, who knows?

Anyway, Charlie Adam lining up against Dundee United is not about money as per Charlie Mulgrew, this is after all what he's dreamt about since he was a lad.

We will however have to protect Charlie in high octane games such as these against Scottish Championship level hammer throwers, imho. 

Clocks are ticking, cannot wait.

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22 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

 

 

 

I do like the way he is going signing loan guys in their early 20's, however last season we got guy on the Spurs fringes, now we are looking at a guy that can't get a game for Luton. That's what I meant.

Saving a few pennies for a marquee signing 

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44 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

 

 

 

I do like the way he is going signing loan guys in their early 20's, however last season we got guy on the Spurs fringes, now we are looking at a guy that can't get a game for Luton. That's what I meant.

That's harsh. Luton finished 12th in the Championship just there. They've signed this guy up as a promising youngster. We've not even signed him yet, just wanting to take a look to see if he is ready for this level.

Contrast that with say, Oli Crankshaw who was with League 1 Wigan at the time, slightly older than this guy and subsequently released to Bradford. That guy was cracking in his short spell.

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2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

That's harsh. Luton finished 12th in the Championship just there. They've signed this guy up as a promising youngster. We've not even signed him yet, just wanting to take a look to see if he is ready for this level.

Contrast that with say, Oli Crankshaw who was with League 1 Wigan at the time, slightly older than this guy and subsequently released to Bradford. That guy was cracking in his short spell.

Crankshaw was cracking in a mediocre squad in the Championship.

I just think we are a couple of steps above Luton (I am now prepared for certain other team's vultures to pick at that statement) and if he is not good enough to start for them, I don't see why we should be some kind of experiment/test for him.

If it's loan deals we are looking at, then the likes of Fagan-Walcott is where we should be trying.

And if it is for back up then we should be progressing our own youths imo.

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7 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

Crankshaw was cracking in a mediocre squad in the Championship.

I just think we are a couple of steps above Luton (I am now prepared for certain other team's vultures to pick at that statement) and if he is not good enough to start for them, I don't see why we should be some kind of experiment/test for him.

I'm sorry to tell you this Johnny, but Luton are definitely above us in terms of how good they are currently. Any mid-table Championship team in England is probably comparable to an Aberdeen or Hibs, and likely command bigger wages than them. For example, they've just signed Allan Campbell, probably Motherwell's best player, and that's certainly something that a Hibs or Aberdeen would do imo.

Plus, the lad's not even on loan yet, he's basically getting trialled to even get that, so I don't see what the problem with that. If he's not up to it, he heads back down south. I see this as a low-risk opportunity to see if this boy has something about him to have an impact in senior football.

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Luton have at least one player making starts at the Euros as well, and his side is almost nailed-on to be playing in the last 16.

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5 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Luton fans seem quite high on him FWIW. Asked a couple, and while their knowledge too is limited due to his lack of first team game time, they say from what they have seen of him that he seems composed on the ball, decent in the air, strong and composed.

Here's hoping it works out if we do indeed decide to bring him in on loan.

Fully expecting him to have 20 'Composure' in FM now.

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1 hour ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

I'm sorry to tell you this Johnny, but Luton are definitely above us in terms of how good they are currently. Any mid-table Championship team in England is probably comparable to an Aberdeen or Hibs, and likely command bigger wages than them. For example, they've just signed Allan Campbell, probably Motherwell's best player, and that's certainly something that a Hibs or Aberdeen would do imo.

Plus, the lad's not even on loan yet, he's basically getting trialled to even get that, so I don't see what the problem with that. If he's not up to it, he heads back down south. I see this as a low-risk opportunity to see if this boy has something about him to have an impact in senior football.

Don't agree with this at all. 

This is always the way Scottish teams get talked down, Scottish prem teams are easy mid table English Prem.

Burnley needing extra time to beat Aberdeen, Hearts getting draws down at Liverpool and Spurs. This is the only evidence we have competitively, but if we could use friendlies, we can both agree Man City are pish. 😉

We just witnessed on Friday, the EPL young player of the year getting his arse handed to him by a Motherwell player.

Scottish fitba is better than you think and English fitba isn't as good as folk make out.

We are definitely a few steps above Luton.

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Scottish prem teams are easy mid-table English Prem

Yet they go to play mid-table Czech, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, Slovakian sides in the Europa League and get their arses utterly handed to them on a regular basis.

maybe I'm being whooshed, but you are completely delusional if you think Hibs, Aberdeen, Livingston etc are 'mid-table English Prem'.

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1 hour ago, Boo Khaki said:

Scottish prem teams are easy mid-table English Prem

Yet they go to play mid-table Czech, Danish, Norwegian, Dutch, Slovakian sides in the Europa League and get their arses utterly handed to them on a regular basis.

maybe I'm being whooshed, but you are completely delusional if you think Hibs, Aberdeen, Livingston etc are 'mid-table English Prem'.

Yeah bit the comparison with Scottish football is never with any of those leagues, it is always with the English leagues. I am not delusional at all to think that any Scottish Premier team should beat any English Championship side.

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Taking last season's sides, you honestly believe the likes of Hamilton or Ross County 'should beat' Norwich, Watford, Brentford, who will all be playing EPL football this coming season, when the best sides outwith the OF, so Hibs, Aberdeen, etc can't cope with totally mundane sides who finish half-way down the Danish Superliga, Swiss Challenge League and such?

I'm interested in two things - How you can possibly believe this, and on what exactly do you base your assertion that they 'should' beat them?

The majority of the Championship clubs have budgets way in excess of anything available to most top flight Scots clubs, but never mind that, these Scottish clubs often have budgets many times the size of the continental sides they meet in the Europa League, and still they get drubbed year in year out.

Personally, I think both the OF would really struggle to stave off relegation from the EPL until such time they were in that particular league long enough that they caught up financially. I think they'd both have a job getting out of the English Championship, but I think if you put Livingston, Dundee United, St.Mirren, St.Johnstone etc into the English Championship every single one of them would sink without trace, and be lucky to tread water a further league or two down the pyramid. The idea that these clubs 'should beat' Championship clubs is for the birds.

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4 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

I think they'd both have a job getting out of the English Championship, but I think if you put Livingston, Dundee United, St.Mirren, St.Johnstone etc into the English Championship every single one of them would sink without trace, and be lucky to tread water a further league or two down the pyramid. The idea that these clubs 'should beat' Championship clubs is for the birds.

It's an interesting one. We had a RWB called Danny McNamara on loan last season, he was decent enough and was in our team the whole time, but looking back he was nothing better than decent and I'm not sure he'd have shone if he'd stayed much longer. Rooney felt like a slight upgrade. He's now a regular starter at mid table Millwall picking up MOM awards.

I think there's a middle ground somewhere that's realistic. I think we'd be hovering around the bottom half of the Championship but able to keep away from relegation, yet if we went down I think we'd have to go for the Play-Offs rather than the title. There seems a weird overlap in quality in divisions down there due to it being 3 down and 3 up.

Folk are blinded by the fact Scottish teams can't compete financially with teams in League One. That doesn't equal us being worse sides.

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It's not just skill but if a player can cope with the different style of play in the Scottish game.

Having watched lower league English football for a long time, I can tell you that they get a lot more time on the ball compared to the more frenetic game here. The difference in standard between players is probably bigger as well - there are players who will be good enough for the EPL and others who have just come up from League 1.

We and other clubs have signed players before that are obviously skilled enough who just could not deal with it.

We've also signed players who should have been good enough who turned out to be utter gash.

Joel Kitamarike anyone?





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Gordon Strachan to Celtic..... or certainly what twitter is going with 

Maybe has been spoken about already but can't be fucked scrolling back.

Good to be back in top flight football. However less posting from myself or not at all. New second job new opportunities.

Happy fathers day fellow dad's 

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