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7 hours ago, thommohawk said:

In your opinion, you can't change your skin colour 

Jeff Goldblum What GIF by The Late Late Show with James Corden

I'm not really sure that's just Johnny's opinion, tbh. 

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I support Jordon Forster in this matter. We have to remember that the only reason this came up at all was because the Evening Telegraph published a piece of journalism that was as cowardly as it was lazy in which they simply speculated that Forster may be on his way to Partick Thistle in a loan deal. 

That was immediately followed by a selection of quotes wholly lifted of twitter/facebook/football forums basically with the usual type of stuff like 'I'll drive him there', 'guy's a donkey',etc. This all came hot on the heels of Kane Hemmings publicly discussing his metal health struggles during his career and specifically at Dundee.

At no time did Forster say his situation is the same as racial abuse, but he simply pointed out that there are and can be more that one issue going on in football that could cause upset to the public figures with in the game. He also never said that managers and players are above criticism, let's face it the problem here is that the Telegraph was obviously looking to fill some space and just decided drop a ton of barrage of shite into this players lap without a minutes thought in the form of online fans opinions.

Furthermore Forster is right that the club should've supported him more forcefully. McPake said that he fully supported Forster only after getting a question put to him in the run up to one of last weeks games. IMO, Dundee FC should've formalised a statement of disagreement of the article's content and support for the players right to feel aggrieved. 

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Interesting posting indeed CanadianDee. I'll reply as all others are apparently ignoring the issue. 

A basic duty of care and further scrutiny is required for an employee when as issue such as this is raised in any profession, it's 2021 after all.

However it would appear on the surface John Nelms' has made a judgement call between a disgruntled, out of favour employee and the clubs ongoing relationship with the local press corp.

If I'm wrong John Nelms', a welcomed  press release/club statement with your views regarding Mr Jordan Forster (to clear the air for him if nowt else) would be appreciated.

Merely my concerned opinion.

    

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Forster is honking at football and him playing in the team directly leads to us losing points.

He needs to be offloaded ASAP.

Couldn't give a shiny shite about anything else.

Thank you.

Edited by Dundee-FC92

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Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

I agree that the club should support Forster, however has he shot himself in the foot by saying that it's not between the club and the press, it's between him and the press?

You can't just say in one breath that it's nothing to do with the club, then in another say that the club don't support him enough.

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https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/highly-rated-dundee-youngster-fin-robertson-ruled-out-for-the-rest-of-the-season/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Finlay Robertson out for the rest of the season with an ankle injury picked up in training. Sucks big time, Fin's appeared to have had a frustrating second season after such a good first one, and it's a shite way to end his season. I trust he will return next season better than before.

In other injury news, Fontaine and Sow both expected to be available for Saturday. McGhee trained pre-match on Friday, but still no date given on him. Jakubiak is now sprinting in training.

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9 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/highly-rated-dundee-youngster-fin-robertson-ruled-out-for-the-rest-of-the-season/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Finlay Robertson out for the rest of the season with an ankle injury picked up in training. Sucks big time, Fin's appeared to have had a frustrating second season after such a good first one, and it's a shite way to end his season. I trust he will return next season better than before.

In other injury news, Fontaine and Sow both expected to be available for Saturday. McGhee trained pre-match on Friday, but still no date given on him. Jakubiak is now sprinting in training.

Fin should have been punted out on loan this season to consolidate what we knew was gonna be a classy wee player, he was never gonna get in the team ahead of Adam,Byrne,McGowan and now even Anderson(and full credit to Anderson for making it this way)

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4 minutes ago, D TOTAL said:

Fin should have been punted out on loan this season to consolidate what we knew was gonna be a classy wee player, he was never gonna get in the team ahead of Adam,Byrne,McGowan and now even Anderson(and full credit to Anderson for making it this way)

To be fair, there'd have been outrage if Robertson was put out on loan at the start of the season. He's had a limited opportunity to nail a position this season, didn't quite grasp it (it was a difficult one to take) then Anderson stepped in and filled the void.

Anderson is in the position Robertson was last season and if he were to suddenly go out on loan there'd be quite rightly, uproar.

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5 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

To be fair, there'd have been outrage if Robertson was put out on loan at the start of the season. He's had a limited opportunity to nail a position this season, didn't quite grasp it (it was a difficult one to take) then Anderson stepped in and filled the void.

I wonder if lower league football wasn't suspended going into the new year that Fin might've went off on loan in January. I feel like he wouldn't as McPake would want him around despite not getting a game very often, but I'd be curious if a decent League One team would've went in for him. Reckon he'd piss that league tbh.

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On 19/03/2021 at 21:52, Ludo*1 said:

To be honest, wouldn't be against it.

Some investment to make if they still have any ambitions of moving stadium.

Our pitch is usually one of the best in Scotland but this season it's easily been worse than the worst black rubber pebble dashed pitch.

See you think that but a grass pitch is only really shit for 4 months a season whereas a plastic one is shit all year round. It’s horrible.

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16 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

To be fair, there'd have been outrage if Robertson was put out on loan at the start of the season. He's had a limited opportunity to nail a position this season, didn't quite grasp it (it was a difficult one to take) then Anderson stepped in and filled the void.

Anderson is in the position Robertson was last season and if he were to suddenly go out on loan there'd be quite rightly, uproar.

Has Robertson ever been good ?

I've seen potential in Anderson and he has did well.

Couple of wonder passes from Robertson... other than that I don't think I have ever thought he has been anything other than okay. However I do encourage playing more younger players. I'm in agreement going out on loan may have did him well but we don't have too many other youngsters ready to step up ? 

 

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1 minute ago, Robin.Hood said:

Has Robertson ever been good ?

I've seen potential in Anderson and he has did well.

Couple of wonder passes from Robertson... other than that I don't think I have ever thought he has been anything other than okay. However I do encourage playing more younger players. I'm in agreement going out on loan may have did him well but we don't have too many other youngsters ready to step up ? 

 

Yeah, I think he did really well in the midfield last season and was badly, badly missing in the first Derby of the season.

Sam Fisher & Max Anderson have stepped up this season. Robertson just turning 18 has had plenty of first team experience as has Calum Ferrie.

Reckon we're doing not badly at all in that regard. Strange to suggest otherwise!

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3 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Yeah, I think he did really well in the midfield last season and was badly, badly missing in the first Derby of the season.

Sam Fisher & Max Anderson have stepped up this season. Robertson just turning 18 has had plenty of first team experience as has Calum Ferrie.

Reckon we're doing not badly at all in that regard. Strange to suggest otherwise!

So we have Fisher and Anderson.

Will ferrie get a chance or he end up like Gourlay and find himself elsewhere. 

We don't seem to give youth a chance really, maybe the odd game here n there but been a while since we really stuck with a youngster. 

Must admit I don't see much in Robertson compared to Anderson. Genuinely see a player in Anderson already in a short period of time. Robertson seen glimpses.

Fisher I'd like a run in the team. 

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It depends entirely on what you're after in a player. I prefer mines to be composed, have a deft touch and have an ability to pick a pass. I want the game controlled. 

Anderson looks to have a bit of ability but is a bit "all arms and legs" - which is fine, when you're getting the breaks of the ball. The moment that stops I could see a bit of panic setting in for him and that's when the test of him will come. I can see Robertson have a horrible game and still look to take the ball on, still have that belief that he can make a difference. 

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

It depends entirely on what you're after in a player. I prefer mines to be composed, have a deft touch and have an ability to pick a pass. I want the game controlled. 

Anderson looks to have a bit of ability but is a bit "all arms and legs" - which is fine, when you're getting the breaks of the ball. The moment that stops I could see a bit of panic setting in for him and that's when the test of him will come. I can see Robertson have a horrible game and still look to take the ball on, still have that belief that he can make a difference. 

Yep, pretty much this.

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

It depends entirely on what you're after in a player. I prefer mines to be composed, have a deft touch and have an ability to pick a pass. I want the game controlled. 

Anderson looks to have a bit of ability but is a bit "all arms and legs" - which is fine, when you're getting the breaks of the ball. The moment that stops I could see a bit of panic setting in for him and that's when the test of him will come. I can see Robertson have a horrible game and still look to take the ball on, still have that belief that he can make a difference. 

I agree regarding this. Then I see him make the pass ( say harkins) where it was a delightful pass but nobody on the end of it. I found myself at times with Robertson maybe a little too wasteful. Maybe if he was in a better team he may develop better ? I'm unsure but between the two we seem to be getting more from Anderson. That is not including scoring some goals also which is an added bonus.

Certainly age is on there side with good potential. 

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13 minutes ago, Robin.Hood said:

So we have Fisher and Anderson.

Will ferrie get a chance or he end up like Gourlay and find himself elsewhere. 

We don't seem to give youth a chance really, maybe the odd game here n there but been a while since we really stuck with a youngster. 

Must admit I don't see much in Robertson compared to Anderson. Genuinely see a player in Anderson already in a short period of time. Robertson seen glimpses.

Fisher I'd like a run in the team. 

Robertson played almost 20 games last season at 16.

Anderson has nailed down a role this season.

Ferrie was given an opportunity and didn't take it. Harrison Sharp is another that is beginning to be talked highly of.

The likes of Moore, Fisher, Cameron and Mulligan have all had little bits of game time.

There's many things to criticise McPake for but his handling of youth has been better than pretty much any manager in the past goodness knows how long. Remember this is the first batch of McPake's youth and we won't see the by-products of Strachan's blueprint for another 5,6,7 year.

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3 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Robertson played almost 20 games last season at 16.

Anderson has nailed down a role this season.

Ferrie was given an opportunity and didn't take it. Harrison Sharp is another that is beginning to be talked highly of.

The likes of Moore, Fisher, Cameron and Mulligan have all had little bits of game time.

There's many things to criticise McPake for but his handling of youth has been better than pretty much any manager in the past goodness knows how long. Remember this is the first batch of McPake's youth and we won't see the by-products of Strachan's blueprint for another 5,6,7 year.

Yes he gave Robertson a lot of game time ( everyone knows mcpake brought him with him from coaching the age group he did ). Didn't actually realise was as much and then yeah like I said were glimpses of a player. Hopefully he becomes good and we make some money.

How much opportunity was Ferrie given compared to say Robertson?

Genuinely happy he is keeping playing Anderson but you can't really drop him as he is adding to the team and again that is with goals also.

Said at start of season I'm all for youth however I just hope we don't just chuck them like we always have done for many years ( sorta already pointed out).

Macintosh I remember could have been something. Sure he was scouted by bigger teams.

Would like to see a young striker given a chance.

Loan spells are great though and I know from Strachan that is something he is huge on.

 

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Fisher is being used as a stop gap because of injuries but in my opinion his level is not high enough to be a first choice for us. He lacks height and presence, teams are already targeting him with long balls, that won’t do his confidence any good. Also we have airbrushed out the fact it was his poor pass that led to Gowser getting caught in possession leading to the Ayr goal. There looks to be a bit of a player there but the games we have between now and the end of the season ain’t for him, out of choice.

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