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McPake, Kerr and Forster cost us the win tonight.

Demorilising as it's the same people who have cost us so much in the past.

Thank you.

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3 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Just don't think he wanted to be here tbh, wonder how much it would have taken for him to stay.

Just not a pay cut, most of them could hardly justify staying on same wage, that was not the case with Hemmings.

So one away league win from six. If we make the play offs that will represent our chances

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25 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

A win against Ayr and I'll feel a bit better, but if we are without McGhee or Fontaine, can anyone see that happening with Forster at the back and who the f**k knows at CM?

Only option imo

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1 minute ago, Dundee-FC92 said:

McPake, Kerr and Forster cost us the win tonight.

Demorilising as it's the same people who have cost us so much in the past.

Thank you.

No, not just these 3.  McPake clearly most to blame but half the team looked like all they needed to do was turn up. An off day from Sir Charlie and shambles ensues. Even when he did produce quality we had Sow showing everything that was wrong with us tonight

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4 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Only option imo

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Better option than Forster anyway. Register McPake with his fooked knee and he'd still be a better option than that useless chunt

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1 hour ago, Yenitit said:

Get McPake so far tae f**k out of our club. Shambles of a manager. The substitution of Cammy Kerr totally changed the flow of the game. That was way down the list on what should’ve been the sub at that time. Virtually week in, week out the same shite by McPake. 
 

Fuckin Forster 😡 Ashcroft as well.

 

Sow, Mullen and Afolabi brutal as well and now we’re back to having Hamilton, Kerr and Forster on the park ffs.  Seek of it to be honest  

 

Can’t disagree with you. Particularly Cammy into midfield. WTF? Max Anderson or young Fin surely. 

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Just now, Fifespud said:

Can’t disagree with you. Particularly Cammy into midfield. WTF? Max Anderson or young Fin surely. 

🤷🏼‍♂️ Makes you wonder why the manager can’t see this either. Get rid ASAP. 

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4 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

Can’t disagree with you. Particularly Cammy into midfield. WTF? Max Anderson or young Fin surely. 

Anderson for McGhee I thought was the closest thing we have to a direct swap, but no, play the Right Back as the box-to-box midfielder. I don't even know.

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I watched the Morton v Dunfermline game last week and was amazed that the guys on show got paid for it.

It was terrible, one of the worst quality games I have ever watched at a pro level, but wait, these teams are above and below us in this league and we have Charlie Adams playing for us, the best player in the league by fucking miles including anybody Hearts might sign in the window. Plus we will have a bigger budget than either of them. They have excuses, we don't.

If we had the rest of the team half organised round Charlie so that they all knew their jobs and we didn't ask them to do things they are not capable of we would have a chance of being comfortably second, as it is we had Kerr in midfield tonight (FFS). Not his fault when he bleeds blue and being asked to take on a job he can't do.

We need a solid, everybody knows their jobs, manager and not somebody permanently trying to be clever and showing how the Pro's do things because they know better, we are not stupid when it comes to watching, we might be when it comes to forking out, but when we see the same things go wrong without the man in charge learning anything new we've a right to call for a change.

I would have loved McPake to have been a success but his signings seem generally poor, take Charlie Adams out of that team and that could have been a relegation battle tonight, he needs to be gone for us to have a chance at going up.

 

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Had a bit more time to think about it and my first rant wasn't cathartic enough so here's another moanfest:

An embarrassing and quite frankly pathetic result.

I honestly cannot remember James McPake using his subs effectively over the course of any game since he has been in charge. Tonight we have a player on the pitch that's playing RW but is predominantly a CM. We have a CM on the bench that played 21 times in the position last season and 9 bit part appearances there this season. We have another that has broken through this season and play CM 7 times this season. Tonight? James McPake decides to play a RB that can't get a game in his preferred position in that role as we get our first injury.

Not a lot more can be said about Jordon Forster other than he is a horrific football player, has very few redeeming qualities and once again managed to sell the jersey. His sliced clearance was pathetic, his marking at the corner was pathetic and he's just a pathetic footballer really.

Osman Sow couldn't have been more cowardly if he tried when Charlie Adam once again tried to save the day for us with a bit of magic in the dying embers. He put the ball pretty much on the goalline yet a defender about a foot smaller than Sow outmuscled, outmaneuvred and made it look like he was about 7ft tall as he soared above Sow.

Does anyone genuinely believe we have it in us to get a result against Ayr on Tuesday if McGhee and Fontaine are out? I can't bear to see Jordon Forster play for us once again and god only knows who McPake will decide to slot into central midfield.

We are unbeaten in 8 and that's statistically very good and there's been some cracking results in there, but drawing away to Arbroath, getting took to ET by Bonnyrigg Rose and losing a 3 goal lead in 10 minutes at home to Dunfermline are important components of that run.

Extrapolate that over our season so far. In the 16 games since the league started, I'd say about 10 of them have ended in disappointment.

It's just not good enough.

A win on Tuesday night would go some way to making me feel a lot better, but I just have zero confidence or belief. The only game I've truly been elated at this season was winning against Hearts at Dens and our Boxing Day win away to QotS.

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My default position, pretty much from last season is that McPake isn't up to the job. Not even close. Whilst the recent scoring run is impressive (on the face of it) we shouldn't be forgetting that it included. The only genuinely solid performances recently were half the Hearts game, drubbing QoS away and a reasonably decent performance at home to Alloa. You could quite easily argue such results should be expected as a minimum considering our budget and being able to sign Charlie Adam. The 1-1 tonight is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned.  With a full strength squad to choose from McPake actually is capable of putting out a reasonable starting XI, but then so would most of us be. The problems come when he has to make changes, subs, adapt tactics to combat what the opposition are doing etc. He simply isn't capable of doing these things and he's not going to learn how to quickly enough, if at all. My concerns largely mirror last season's, in that we're wasting a more than decent budget and potentially decent set of players (minus a handful of glaring personnel errors) on a manager who is not, and never will be up to the job. 

I've probably not got this entirely correct, but I think this is a fair summary of our performances thus far. 

League. 

  • Hearts 6-2 Dees - Absolutely fucking abject, and lucky it was only 6. Massive formation and tactical blunder by McPake basically sold the fucking game by HT
  • Dees 1-0 Morton - Shite performance luckily yielding a win thanks to Morton's total ineffectiveness as an attacking threat
  • Dees 1-1 Raith - Weird sub = concession of late equaliser
  • Alloa 3-3 Dees - Utter shambles at the back, only avoided defeat thanks to Sir Charles
  • Ayr 2-0 Dees - Another surrender, absolutely toothless up front
  • Dees 1-0 Arbroath - boring as f**k, holding on for the last 20-30 mins
  • ICT 2-2 Dees  - Shat it from 1-0 up, lucky to scrape a draw in the end
  • Dees 3-3 Dunfy - 3-0 up with 15 mins left. Absolutely fucking ludicrous, not helped by a nonsense sub at 3-2
  • QOS 1-3 Dees - Finally a solid performance from the team, and Sow
  • Dees 3-1 Alloa - Solid performance again at least in the second half. Fucking nonsense goal to concede though. 
  • Dees 3-1 Hearts - Most satisfying of the season, panicked for much of the second half, late pen to calm things a bit
  • Arbroath 1-1 Dees - Early lead, failed to build on it thanks to missed sitters and predictably allowed Arbroath to come back into it

Other than the QOS, Alloa and Hearts games that is utterly uninspiring. 

Cups

  • Covid beat Forfar 3-0
  • Hanging on to a 1-0 at home to 9 man Cove until 2 late, flattering goals
  • Two utterly insipid performances away to Hibs
  • Scraping an ET win at home to a junior side Live on TV

Again, utterly uninspiring. At least we're still in the Scottish but I expect the Saints game will be a boring as f**k 1-0 away win. 

Considering the resources we have, the above is quite frankly fucking shite. Had the Charlie Adam signing not taken place we'd be comfortably bottom half. 

ETA - If he's even considering Sean Mackie again that's a sacking offence in itself. 

Edited by Day of the Lords

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9 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

My default position, pretty much from last season is that McPake isn't up to the job. Not even close. Whilst the recent scoring run is impressive (on the face of it) we shouldn't be forgetting that it included. The only genuinely solid performances recently were half the Hearts game, drubbing QoS away and a reasonably decent performance at home to Alloa. You could quite easily argue such results should be expected as a minimum considering our budget and being able to sign Charlie Adam. The 1-1 tonight is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned.  With a full strength squad to choose from McPake actually is capable of putting out a reasonable starting XI, but then so would most of us be. The problems come when he has to make changes, subs, adapt tactics to combat what the opposition are doing etc. He simply isn't capable of doing these things and he's not going to learn how to quickly enough, if at all. My concerns largely mirror last season's, in that we're wasting a more than decent budget and potentially decent set of players (minus a handful of glaring personnel errors) on a manager who is not, and never will be up to the job. 

I've probably not got this entirely correct, but I think this is a fair summary of our performances thus far. 

League. 

  • Hearts 6-2 Dees - Absolutely fucking abject, and lucky it was only 6. Massive formation and tactical blunder by McPake basically sold the fucking game by HT
  • Dees 1-0 Morton - Shite performance luckily yielding a win thanks to Morton's total ineffectiveness as an attacking threat
  • Dees 1-1 Raith - Weird sub = concession of late equaliser
  • Alloa 3-3 Dees - Utter shambles at the back, only avoided defeat thanks to Sir Charles
  • Ayr 2-0 Dees - Another surrender, absolutely toothless up front
  • Dees 1-0 Arbroath - boring as f**k, holding on for the last 20-30 mins
  • ICT 2-2 Dees  - Shat it from 1-0 up, lucky to scrape a draw in the end
  • Dees 3-3 Dunfy - 3-0 up with 15 mins left. Absolutely fucking ludicrous, not helped by a nonsense sub at 3-2
  • QOS 1-3 Dees - Finally a solid performance from the team, and Sow
  • Dees 3-1 Alloa - Solid performance again at least in the second half. Fucking nonsense goal to concede though. 
  • Dees 3-1 Hearts - Most satisfying of the season, panicked for much of the second half, late pen to calm things a bit
  • Arbroath 1-1 Dees - Early lead, failed to build on it thanks to missed sitters and predictably allowed Arbroath to come back into it

Other than the QOS, Alloa and Hearts games that is utterly uninspiring. 

Cups

  • Covid beat Forfar 3-0
  • Hanging on to a 1-0 at home to 9 man Cove until 2 late, flattering goals
  • Two utterly insipid performances away to Hibs
  • Scraping an ET win at home to a junior side Live on TV

Again, utterly uninspiring. At least we're still in the Scottish but I expect the Saints game will be a boring as f**k 1-0 away win. 

Considering the resources we have, the above is quite frankly fucking shite. Had the Charlie Adam signing not taken place we'd be comfortably bottom half. 

ETA - If he's even considering Sean Mackie again that's a sacking offence in itself. 

Brilliant post and exactly how I see it. McPake is fucking this up with the 2nd best budget in the league again and our club meekly throw these opportunities away. 

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5 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Luckily my laptop is currently out of service so I don't have to bother fishing for my favourite post-game picture

Ach it's nice to vent even though it's fucking pointless 😂

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9 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Ach it's nice to vent even though it's fucking pointless 😂

Of course, it's a good thing I wasn't posting during the match or else I'd have made myself look like more of a tit than usual. Was ranting at my TV the entire night.

Obviously any manager worth his salt could have achieved at least what McPake has achieved with our budget and Sir Charles at the helm, and most managers likely would have done much better.

We desperately need to win on Tuesday and keep up our decent home form considering how site we are away from it. If McGhee and Fontaine are out for that game and potentially the foreseeable though (particularly Fontaine for the latter) then I'll be really worried.

Put simply, a win on Tuesday and we're back on track. If not, we're back in yet another slump. I pray that Fontaine and McGhee are OK.

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After his recent stints at both Bradford and Morton would anyone take David Hopkin or is his reputation shot as a manager/head coach?

Same with Stephen Robinson about 6 months ago he was away to bigger better things then all of a sudden Motherwell were pure Shan over night is his reputation shot?

im not comparing either names with mcpake im just curious if they’d fit our club or if they will have to build their portfolio again

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To be fair to McPake I've seen boys on here saying the Cammy would make a decent DM due to his engine and tackling. Now even they haven't a leg to stand on and will have to admit the boys stunk the place out too long and should go on his way to Peterhead or the likes. 

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10 hours ago, Yenitit said:

Sorry Ross but that’s everything that’s wrong with our club. That tonight should never be acceptable. The last 2 results have been embarrassing. Let’s not sugarcoat this. 11 of the last 16 games have been shite maybe even 12 of them considering we only put 3 past 9 man Cove at home. 
 

Hearts away,

Morton at Dens,

Raith at Dens,

Alloa away,

Hibs away,

Ayr away,

Hibs away,

Arbroath at Dens,

Dunfermline at Dens,

Bonnyrig at Dens 

and now Arbroath away.

 

We have been shambolic this season and no one can honestly disagree with that.   

 

 

 

We’re joint 2nd in the league so we can’t have been as bad as you’ve made out. Sow and Mullen have to score in the first half and we go in at 3-0 and nobody bats an eyelid. The fact that we didn’t go in 3-0 up isn’t on McPake last night, not much he can do about players missing chances like that.

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