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Not quite accurate; the 7-0 away to Airdrie came after the Thursday night Scottish Cup game against Hamilton with the SFL having refused a request to push it back 24 hours. But the idea that he played the youths out of spite is sound. 


No shame in losing to the mighty diamonds

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3 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 


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How's your manager doing? Capable of a step up after his disaster at St Mirren? Asking for a friend.

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As boring Sunday's go, I've compiled a list of realistic replacements for McPake. I'm not saying they're good or bad, just a comprehensive list of known entities that'd no doubt be linked.

John Hughes
Stuart McCall
Barry Smith
Dave Mackay
Ian Murray
Jim Duffy
Terry Butcher
Stewart Petrie
Dick Campbell
John Robertson
Austin MacPhee
Peter Grant
Gavin Rae
Morten Wieghorst
Danny Lennon
Darren Young
Paul Hartley
Peter Murphy
James McDonaugh
Owen Coyle
Derek Adams
Alan Irvine

If our next manager didn't come from that list of names, I'd be very surprised.

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How's your manager doing? Capable of a step up after his disaster at St Mirren? Asking for a friend.


Fans were shouting for him to be sacked about 8 games ago when he kept putting defensive teams out and we lost to montrose. He then seems to have stumbled on an attacking 4-3-3 which has seen us climb to the top of table before yesterdays defeat. Wouldnt grudge him a move to Dundee but can’t see you boys going for him

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10 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

As boring Sunday's go, I've compiled a list of realistic replacements for McPake. I'm not saying they're good or bad, just a comprehensive list of known entities that'd no doubt be linked.

John Hughes
Stuart McCall
Barry Smith
Dave Mackay
Ian Murray
Jim Duffy
Terry Butcher
Stewart Petrie
Dick Campbell
John Robertson
Austin MacPhee
Peter Grant
Gavin Rae
Morten Wieghorst
Danny Lennon
Darren Young
Paul Hartley
Peter Murphy
James McDonaugh
Owen Coyle
Derek Adams
Alan Irvine

If our next manager didn't come from that list of names, I'd be very surprised.

Of those on the list...

Managers I'd be interested in:
Ian Murray
Stewart Petrie
John Robertson (though this will never happen now)
Peter Grant
James McDonaugh
maybe Alan Irvine

Maybe...:
Morten Wieghorst
Dick Campbell
Darren Young
Peter Murphy

The rest of them probably make me consider just packing it in.

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If we appoint Peter Grant, I’m done. Granted he has done a decent job at Alloa, but he is an absolute bellend, and a complete moron. He makes Yogi seem intelligent and articulate. 

From that list, Irvine and Murray are the only two I’d want. Weighorst has been a manager before, but I’d rule him out being an ex Dee, and Rae is in Oz, so he wouldn’t even contemplate it. 

Coyle just moved to India thankfully. It really is a dreadful list to be honest 😳

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If we appoint Peter Grant, I’m done. Granted he has done a decent job at Alloa, but he is an absolute bellend, and a complete moron. He makes Yogi seem intelligent and articulate. 
From that list, Irvine and Murray are the only two I’d want. Weighorst has been a manager before, but I’d rule him out being an ex Dee, and Rae is in Oz, so he wouldn’t even contemplate it. 
Coyle just moved to India thankfully. It really is a dreadful list to be honest


Peter Grant has Alloa bottom and their fans want him sacked. In what way has he done a good job?

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48 minutes ago, srw said:

If we appoint Peter Grant, I’m done. Granted he has done a decent job at Alloa, but he is an absolute bellend, and a complete moron. He makes Yogi seem intelligent and articulate. 

From that list, Irvine and Murray are the only two I’d want. Weighorst has been a manager before, but I’d rule him out being an ex Dee, and Rae is in Oz, so he wouldn’t even contemplate it. 

Coyle just moved to India thankfully. It really is a dreadful list to be honest 😳

Only reason Rae was included was because there was an interview recently where he said he'd consider coming back to the UK to get into management and is currently managing in 2nd division Australia.

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13 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Only reason Rae was included was because there was an interview recently where he said he'd consider coming back to the UK to get into management and is currently managing in 2nd division Australia.

The mighty Maccabi Hakoah Sydney City East Football Club, no less.

Edited by RossBFaeDundee

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2 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

The might Maccabi Hakoah Sydney City East Football Club, no less.

Probably about our level at the moment, tbh.

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4 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

The might Maccabi Hakoah Sydney City East Football Club, no less.

Nothing like a club having a snappy name.

Rolls off the tongue.

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Regarding the above subject postings, realistically I would consider Gary Holt, maybe Alan Irvine (who's now 61 btw and has spent his entire coaching career down south) or Ian McCall due to his tremendous recent work at Ayr United at this new lower level.

Either one ably assisted by a player/assistant manager, locally reared, goes by the name of Charlie, lol......... 😁

Back to reality though, unless John Nelms wakens up and takes action, we will, on current form be sleep-walking into one of the worst periods in our history, imho.

New stadium, looking forward to it I'm sure, the absolute competent basics will suffice in the meantime, thank you.  

Best regards

    

Edited by This Charming Man

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4 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

Scott Allan was only on loan tbf.

A team we let go for peanuts for various reasons since the year 2000:

Scott Bain

Zurab---Wilkie---Gallagher---Caulker---Forsyth

Stewart---GGH---Kamara ---Boyle

Griffiths

We've received about 600k all in for that team of talent.

Add a couple of decent midfielders and that team would have a great chance of staying up. 

Edit: Oh ye of little faith, Ludo.

Edited by Pull My Strings

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We could get David Robertson back from Real Kashmir. A guy who has been working in a war zone would suit us I think. It’s a truly horrific list.

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As boring Sunday's go, I've compiled a list of realistic replacements for McPake. I'm not saying they're good or bad, just a comprehensive list of known entities that'd no doubt be linked.
John Hughes
Stuart McCall
Barry Smith
Dave Mackay
Ian Murray
Jim Duffy
Terry Butcher
Stewart Petrie
Dick Campbell
John Robertson
Austin MacPhee
Peter Grant
Gavin Rae
Morten Wieghorst
Danny Lennon
Darren Young
Paul Hartley
Peter Murphy
James McDonaugh
Owen Coyle
Derek Adams
Alan Irvine

If our next manager didn't come from that list of names, I'd be very surprised.

Some unknown Yank will be their last throw of the dice imo

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If past appointments are anything to go by, anyone who thinks they can work out who Nelms will name as our next manager would be better off using their skills to pick the next six lottery numbers!

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11 hours ago, Sir Tarmo Kink said:

Peter Grant has Alloa bottom and their fans want him sacked. In what way has he done a good job?

 

Didn't realise that they were that low, its hard to look at the table these days. Just a few weeks ago, he was getting plaudits on BBC Scotland.

Anyway, I don't want him at my club, Id rather stick with McPake.

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Didn't realise that they were that low, its hard to look at the table these days. Just a few weeks ago, he was getting plaudits on BBC Scotland.
Anyway, I don't want him at my club, Id rather stick with McPake.
BBC Scotland football will be rammed full.of his pals tbh

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If McPake wants to salvage this and get the fans on side, he needs to inject some fire in the way he coaches. Too many times have I seen him in real time or in picture with his hands in his pockets and his eyes pointed to the ground. The lack of support from Jimmy 'sit n' do f**k all' Nicholl and the rest of the peanut gallery that form our management team is startling, and Jazza needs to know that the fight needs to come from him. The negativity from the manager embeds itself into the players, and thus they become flat and unimaginative. When the team suffers a setback or even a positive, they seem to switch off, hence why we've experienced so many collapses this season. The 10 minutes of torture in the 6-2 derby, the last second goal from Aberdeen, Partick's 3 goals in 7 minutes, Ayr's goal against us, Morton's equaliser, and of course QotS' winner, all lapses in concentration caused by the negative, uninspired attitude of the team. Aside from the freak results at Tannadice and against Partick, we aren't getting 'hammered' by teams. We're conceding just enough to make us need desperately to rely on the strikers scoring from the meager amount of attempts they are able to have with the shitty service they get. Skill-wise we're relatively fine (Mackie and possibly Forster notwithstanding), it's the mental issues that we suffer from, and that is largely down to the mentality of management. The crowd response is also now a factor, but I see that as more of a product of the downward spiral rather than a cause of it.

I read McPake's analyses every week, and every week we f**k up his response is to not make any excuses, but not offer much emotional opinion. I understand the wish to be respectful and professional, but never do I get the impression he is angry, instead just sulking and promising things will improve. If you truly believe you're the right man for the job and your squad is to be a top team in the league, you better not be complacent about losing. I wouldn't believe for an instant a manager like Dick Campbell sulks after a loss and says "Oh well, we'll do better next week." I believe he would give his players a firm boot up the arse if he was upset and let them know exactly how they need to improve. McPake is new and doesn't have that confidence yet, but he needs to find it fast if he wants any chance of getting the dressing room and the fans back.

Once Gowser came on on Saturday, the team got a boost and took control. Gowser is a far more important piece in this team than Byrne, as Gowser gives a shit every second of the game. I'm not saying Byrne doesn't give a shit, but with Gowser you know he's fired up, and he's going to fire up everyone around him by doing so. I'd say play the same team next week, except replace Byrne with McGowan (and obvs Mackie out for Marshall if the latter is fit). McPake needs to take inspiration from Gowser's attitude, let the players know what the f**k he's doing wrong and how he can improve that. I'd like to see a bit more animation out of him, more emotion. He needs to shed a bit of the meek respect he always gives, gain a sense of pride and believe he's the man for the job, and that "we're better than you, and we're going to fucking show you just how". If he believes that, the players will believe it, and the periods of quick passing, high tempo football we only play for short periods will become more consistent, the fans' attitude will improve, and the results will start coming. If he doesn't 100% believe he is the man and he knows how to get this team on all cylinders, and keeps looking down at his shoes at every setback instead of screaming for the lads to get their heads up and respond, he needs to resign. Simple as that.

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