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Squad for next year as it stands:

Goalkeepers

#1: Jack Hamilton (25) - May 2021

#: Calum Ferrie (20) - May 2020

Defenders

#3: Nathan Ralph (26) - May 2020

#14: Andrew Davies (34) - May 2020

#24: Josh Meekings (26) - May 2020

 

Midfielders

#18: Paul McGowan (31) - May 2020

 

Strikers

#20: Kenny Miller (39) - May 2020

#21: Andrew Nelson (21) - May 2021

#23: Craig Curran (29) - May 2021

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Squad for next year as it stands:
Goalkeepers
#1: Jack Hamilton (25) - May 2021
#: Calum Ferrie (20) - May 2020
Defenders
#3: Nathan Ralph (26) - May 2020
#14: Andrew Davies (34) - May 2020
#24: Josh Meekings (26) - May 2020
 
Midfielders
#18: Paul McGowan (31) - May 2020
 
Strikers
#20: Kenny Miller (39) - May 2020
#21: Andrew Nelson (21) - May 2021
#23: Craig Curran (29) - May 2021


You could add Josh Todd to that list as I guess he’ll still be signing.

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2 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

 


You could add Josh Todd to that list as I guess he’ll still be signing.

 

Forgot about him.

I've not included Moore and Anderson as I don't know whether they'll just be supplementing the squad or right in about it next season.

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He's the cheap option, but I honestly wouldn't be upset if we gave McPake the job. Perfect time to do so if any. He's more experienced than McCann was at the point we appointed him and he's got his pro license. We would need someone with a lot of experience beside him and no one instantly comes to mind which is the main problem.
A combination of McPake/Irvine and let's say Archie Knox/Craig Brown/Jocky Scott/Jim Jefferies/Jim Duffy type would be absolutely ideal. None of those are realistic and would they get on with McPake? 
For me, it's definitely the worst time.

If you look through young managers who have went on to have good careers or do a good job, they usually start off in their first job by having some sort of spine of a team in place and working with that. When it comes to recruiting a whole side, it gets much tougher and that's when the wheels start to come off.

He's a really good guy but his coaching career has been spent with the 18s and not really around first teamers. That's an asset in some ways if those guys come through but it's a huge risk that he can go and sign 10-15 players first time of asking, especially with time limitations and not having any structure in place for another football person with a network.

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3 minutes ago, harry94 said:

For me, it's definitely the worst time.

If you look through young managers who have went on to have good careers or do a good job, they usually start off in their first job by having some sort of spine of a team in place and working with that. When it comes to recruiting a whole side, it gets much tougher and that's when the wheels start to come off.

He's a really good guy but his coaching career has been spent with the 18s and not really around first teamers. That's an asset in some ways if those guys come through but it's a huge risk that he can go and sign 10-15 players first time of asking, especially with time limitations and not having any structure in place for another football person with a network.

You can apply that logic to absolutely anyone though. Paul Hartley had a rebuild job with Alloa and took them up twice in 2 seasons because the freedom allowed him to build the squad exactly as he wanted.

It's a huge risk for anyone.

If we get promoted next season, and he takes over whilst we are in a relegation battle - That'd be a worse time. Or if we fail to get up next season and we have less of a parachute payment with duds tied down to longer deals - That'd be a worse time.

We are a blank canvas right now. There'll never be a perfect time, but this is as good as it gets as Ross County proved this season.

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You can apply that logic to absolutely anyone though. Paul Hartley had a rebuild job with Alloa and took them up twice in 2 seasons because the freedom allowed him to build the squad exactly as he wanted.
It's a huge risk for anyone.
If we get promoted next season, and he takes over whilst we are in a relegation battle - That'd be a worse time. Or if we fail to get up next season and we have less of a parachute payment with duds tied down to longer deals - That'd be a worse time.
We are a blank canvas right now. There'll never be a perfect time, but this is as good as it gets as Ross County proved this season.
The difference with Hartley is that he was working previously with players at a level who were perfect for Alloa at that time. Old pros who he knew like Darren Young and Robbie Winters and then youngsters like Bain, McCord, Doyle etc who were falling down the ladder and he knew from playing/coaching in the under 20s league and were released or available on loan.

McPakes last few 5 years have been spent with Dundee and the last 2 or so spent with the kids. I'm sure he knows people but it's not immediately obvious that he's got an easy source of players to tap into in the way that you could see Hartley did.

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11 minutes ago, harry94 said:

The difference with Hartley is that he was working previously with players at a level who were perfect for Alloa at that time. Old pros who he knew like Darren Young and Robbie Winters and then youngsters like Bain, McCord, Doyle etc who were falling down the ladder and he knew from playing/coaching in the under 20s league and were released or available on loan.

McPakes last few 5 years have been spent with Dundee and the last 2 or so spent with the kids. I'm sure he knows people but it's not immediately obvious that he's got an easy source of players to tap into in the way that you could see Hartley did.

I'm sorry Harry, but just because it's not immediately obvious doesn't mean anything. I feel for whatever reason, you're just not feeling McPake which is fair enough but you're clutching at straws with that point and you previously asserted that you thought he wouldn't want to be a manager either, which is now clearly not the case.

I'm not saying McPake will grow into being a sensational manager, but in my opinion if there's a time to give an untested coach the job it's when there is a blank canvas and the biggest budget in the league opposed to a firefighting situation.

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I'm sorry Harry, but just because it's not immediately obvious doesn't mean anything. I feel for whatever reason, you're just not feeling McPake which is fair enough but you're clutching at straws with that point and you previously asserted that you thought he wouldn't want to be a manager either, which is now clearly not the case.
I'm not saying McPake will grow into being a sensational manager, but in my opinion if there's a time to give an untested coach the job it's when there is a blank canvas and the biggest budget in the league opposed to a firefighting situation.
I'm not saying it does. I'm saying I'm ignorant of all of the facts about how he'd operate but just on the face of it (i.e. a daft fan with no inside knowledge), there's no real suggestion of how he'd operate and on paper, he's a novice youth coach. It doesn't seem logical to me to say 'x manager is experienced and was shite so let's just give it to the opposite'.

That might not be the case but I'd just hate for the next five to six weeks to be spent on him just having YouTube videos thrown in his direction and having insufficient information needed to commit potentially upwards of £1 million long-term into Dundee's books.

I'm not totally against him but I just think it's a bit of a tightrope whilst someone like Ian McCall has been brilliant at squad building for years and that's the biggest thing we need right now with no squad.

If we're going the route of a novice, at least someone like Stewart Petrie has actually spent a few years in first team management at part time level so that would make more sense to me.

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18 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

I'm sorry Harry, but just because it's not immediately obvious doesn't mean anything. I feel for whatever reason, you're just not feeling McPake which is fair enough but you're clutching at straws with that point and you previously asserted that you thought he wouldn't want to be a manager either, which is now clearly not the case.

I'm not saying McPake will grow into being a sensational manager, but in my opinion if there's a time to give an untested coach the job it's when there is a blank canvas and the biggest budget in the league opposed to a firefighting situation.

Surely in the conditions described above, an experienced manager/coach is the way to go? A blank canvas and big budget could go either way - just look at what happened to Falkirk last season - but surely bringing in a manager with experience of building squads at a club playing below their natural level is a more sensible approach? 

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1 minute ago, Kyle said:

Surely in the conditions described above, an experienced manager/coach is the way to go? A blank canvas and big budget could go either way - just look at what happened to Falkirk last season - but surely bringing in a manager with experience of building squads at a club playing below their natural level is a more sensible approach? 

Yes, but as I stated in my original point, it wouldn't be the worst idea to give McPake the job. I'm not necessarily saying he's my number 1 choice (He's not) but there's not a better time to give it to a young hand.

 

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I'm not sure it is though. As you've said, any new manager will have a big budget but the money might not be around forever. McPake could end up putting together a poor/unbalanced squad and you've squandered your one chance at a decent budget. That could happen with an experienced manager too obviously but it seems much more likely with someone who you have no idea about.

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9 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I'm not sure it is though. As you've said, any new manager will have a big budget but the money might not be around forever. McPake could end up putting together a poor/unbalanced squad and you've squandered your one chance at a decent budget. That could happen with an experienced manager too obviously but it seems much more likely with someone who you have no idea about.

The money won't be around forever. If we squander this chance of coming back up, then appointing McPake then would leave him with a much tougher job. Likewise leaving him in the middle of a relegation battle would be a much tougher job for a rookie. This is the perfect timing for a rookie if there is such a time, because in the footballing world, there's no time at all for new starts. Give him a budget and a blank canvas and it's as good a chance as one could get.

For what it's worth, I'd have Derek Adams, Ian McCall or even Morten Wieghorst ahead of McPake, but if McPake gets the job, I would be far from upset.

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McPake has nowhere near enough experience yet to take the first team. Not saying never but not at the moment. We need experience and someone with good contacts 

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2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

You can apply that logic to absolutely anyone though. Paul Hartley had a rebuild job with Alloa and took them up twice in 2 seasons because the freedom allowed him to build the squad exactly as he wanted.

It's a huge risk for anyone.

If we get promoted next season, and he takes over whilst we are in a relegation battle - That'd be a worse time. Or if we fail to get up next season and we have less of a parachute payment with duds tied down to longer deals - That'd be a worse time.

We are a blank canvas right now. There'll never be a perfect time, but this is as good as it gets as Ross County proved this season.

I think McPake will be the next manager after whoever gets appointed in the next few weeks. Certainly appears to be the man the Americans see as a sort of club ambassador. 

With McPake being in all the papers and doing the interviews it feels like we’ve got our club back after Calamity James’ stint as manager, the dab c**t

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After the shitshow of McCann and then McIntyre there simply has to be a clean slate and a fresh start at the club. Promoting from within keeps the staleness and if it goes wrong the first few weeks could ruin McPakes whole career before it has even begun. A completely unnecessary risk.

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I think it's a widely held opinion in the game that Derek Adams is a bit of a w****r but if he's a w****r that can get us up at the first time of asking then I'm all for him getting the job. 

If he does get the job and fails miserably though, then he should never have been appointed in the first place.

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21 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

I think it's a widely held opinion in the game that Derek Adams is a bit of a w****r but if he's a w****r that can get us up at the first time of asking then I'm all for him getting the job. 

If he does get the job and fails miserably though, then he should never have been appointed in the first place.

Yeah, but if whoever we hire fails miserably regardless of who they are, they shouldn't have been appointed. I think DA is above most other choices as he's handled this league easily in the past and has a proven track record for having a fairly high success rate, last season notwithstanding. I genuinely feel he's the right man for the job right now.

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Yeah, but if whoever we hire fails miserably regardless of who they are, they shouldn't have been appointed. I think DA is above most other choices as he's handled this league easily in the past and has a proven track record for having a fairly high success rate, last season notwithstanding. I genuinely feel he's the right man for the job right now.
Worth a wee read into Plymouth's forums, very interesting situation there. All going well and then his assistant, Craig Brewster requires surgery and requires a couple of months at home to recover. In the time Brewster is away, Adams tells a newspaper that he's not required any more and the squad are shocked by it. Next year, things are a complete cluster f**k and all he'll has broken loose. Similar oddities were consistent throughout his time at County with his dad.

He's obviously capable but there are a few aspects of that episode that don't sit right and I'd be very interested to find out a lot more about it if I was in charge of selection. Usually good managers are complete headcases so he has potential in that sense.

Maybe the scenario we're in of having a complete reboot is quite suited to him I suppose. I get the impression he needs a dressing room of his players.

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I think it's a widely held opinion in the game that Derek Adams is a bit of a w****r but if he's a w****r that can get us up at the first time of asking then I'm all for him getting the job. 
If he does get the job and fails miserably though, then he should never have been appointed in the first place.


He’s actually a really decent bloke away from football, but a combination of intelligence and belligerence means he can run people up the wrong way. He also has a terrific disregard for bad journalists, which means he has a few folk who don’t like him up here. By all accounts he does a lot of drilling in training, which winds up the more egotistical players and after a while becomes untenable.

Certain more cerebral players swear by him - Kettlewell, Ferguson and Brittain being three of them, but he fell out with a lot of players at County. He also had a bewildering signing policy in his last half season, where up to that point he had been bang on the money.

Were I Dundee’s chairman, he’d be the first one I would offer the job to, but with the understanding it was a two year deal and then on to someone else.

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35 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

Were I Dundee’s chairman, he’d be the first one I would offer the job to, but with the understanding it was a two year deal and then on to someone else.

 

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He can get us up in his first season, keep us up 2nd season then McPake to take it from there (During that time, McPake has a greater role in the first team backroom staff),  I'd take that. 

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