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13 minutes ago, doogster said:

I think the only players we have contracted past the end of the season are Meekings, Ngwatala, Ralph, Mendy, Miller, Davies, Hamilton, Craig Curran and Nelson.  We also have a year option on Gowser, Kusunga and Madianga (although that's obviously not going to happen).

Three of them arent at the club thankfully.

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There is absolutely no reason to be keeping Cammy Kerr. He was never good enough and has regressed, amazingly.

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20 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

Right, so we have several players out of contract in the summer:

Elliot Parish, Cammy Kerr, Genseric Kusunga, Darren O'Dea, Martin Woods, Paul McGowan (Although option of a further year) and Jesse Curran.

ETA: Updated Squad List here:

 

Check this for contract statuses.

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6 hours ago, Dele said:

There is absolutely no reason to be keeping Cammy Kerr. He was never good enough and has regressed, amazingly.

Can just tell I'm going to love seeing Dele Ali every time you post.

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16 hours ago, Dele said:

There is absolutely no reason to be keeping Cammy Kerr. He was never good enough and has regressed, amazingly.

Difficult to disagree with this, but he's still relatively young, and it could be that a change of manager and him not having to play every single week irrespective of injury or loss of form simply because we don't have another fullback, might be what he needs to get back on track. I'm edging toward him simply lacking enough ability though.

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There is absolutely no reason to be keeping Cammy Kerr. He was never good enough and has regressed, amazingly.

 

Somehow at Dens there always seems to be a player who gets picked on, who is to blame for everything.

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7 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

 

Somehow at Dens there always seems to be a player who gets picked on, who is to blame for everything.

Yup. I'd be hanging onto Kerr. The stick the boy gets is a bit OTT

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27 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:

Yup. I'd be hanging onto Kerr. The stick the boy gets is a bit OTT

Worth remembering he only became a target for the boo boys when McCann started playing him on the left.

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Sorry but I wouldn't be keeping  Cammy either. If we did it would feel like it was for purely sentimental reasons and the vast, vast majority of the squad that started the season showed that they're not good enough. If we want to make progress and become a team not dancing with relegation then we need to be ruthless with who to get rid of. 

By following that logic and not being a hypocrite I'd be getting rid of Gowser too. And yes it did hurt my heart to say that. 

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1 minute ago, Louis Litt said:

Sorry but I wouldn't be keeping  Cammy either. If we did it would feel like it was for purely sentimental reasons and the vast, vast majority of the squad that started the season showed that they're not good enough. If we want to make progress and become a team not dancing with relegation then we need to be ruthless with who to get rid of. 

By following that logic and not being a hypocrite I'd be getting rid of Gowser too. And yes it did hurt my heart to say that. 

I wouldn't be surprised if we moved for both, if you did allow them to leave.

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Folk badly underestimate the difference form and confidence make to some players. Cammy seems the type as well, plays with his heart on his sleeve.

There is no way in hell he has gotten worse. He should be getting a new contract imo.

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Absolutely wouldn't be getting rid of Cammy. He won't be on a great wage and he's a better rotational option that most have in the league. We need to build a squad to be successful, not just a key starting 11 and I think people don't recognise that sometimes. Same goes with Gowser.

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I wouldn't be surprised if we moved for both, if you did allow them to leave.


I feel this is one of those situations where if we let Cammy go and St Johnstone took him, they’d give him his confidence back and he’d improve immeasurably. Tommy Wright seems to be able to reinvigorate players (Shaughnessy, Watt, Kennedy, Swanson, Craig) to name more than a few. We would then be scratching our heads as to why we ever let him go.

The boy needs confidence. I wonder how much the responsibility of being Vice Captain had on him last year as since then he has regressed. Although his form has dipped I’d be keeping Cammy.

Gowser can get to f**k though. He’s been average at best for the last two seasons and is past it. Couldn’t help but notice him screaming at Dieng after the Hamilton goal the other week too. Passion is good but needless screaming when someone makes an error will lead the new boys into shiting themselves whenever they get the ball.

Thank You.

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I’ve always liked Cammy Kerr. Remember the season he started playing and this wiry little kid was going through players left right and centre, in a fair manner and wasn’t shirking a tackle. Limited going forward but defensively sound. I’d certainly take him and have him and Foster battle it out for a starting spot. Lack of competition and burden of expectation seem to have stalled his development. He wouldn’t get an easy ride of it at saints coming from Dundee, but if he did all would be forgotten the moment he gets stuck in.

All hypothetical for what it’s worth, I expect him to stay at Dundee since he’s born and bred. Sometimes it’s hard for these guys though since they almost try too hard as fans and take criticism very personally, we’ve the same issue with Wotherspoon tbh. It shows he cares more than anything.

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I’ve been Cammy’s biggest critic this season but I would also keep him. Not sure McIntyre sees him in his plans though.

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2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

Absolutely wouldn't be getting rid of Cammy. He won't be on a great wage and he's a better rotational option that most have in the league. We need to build a squad to be successful, not just a key starting 11 and I think people don't recognise that sometimes. Same goes with Gowser.

This summer, we let Holt go and then replaced him with someone totally untested. Ralph has come on to be very good but we relied on him alone which was a mistake when he took time and also was injured.

In Hartley's last season, he let Konrad go. Konrad wasn't spectacular but he was generally injury free and played around 70 games for us where he performed very well for 90% of them. We then let him go and spent the summer window scrambling around for another centre back before ending up with Kevin Gomis who was leaving a team at quite a high level and would have been on a fair bit of money. We got one or two good games out of Gomis but he was very erratic and I don't really think many people would argue he was better business than keeping Konrad.

Hartley also let Jim McAlister walk out the door and he was a valuable utility man who we never really replaced. The next few years, we often had gutless midfields and sometimes just had no one to fill certain gaps, leading to magical mystery formations etc. The same window, Letheren was replaced by David Mitchell (which certainly wasn't an improvement) and there are a few others I can think of similar.

Whatever you maybe think about specific players, it's not the worst thing in the world to have someone pretty bang average and keep them for longer. People talk about needing to progress etc but quite often, these guys aren't the biggest problem and we've got 5 or 6 on the wage bill who are more useless.

Say what you like about both of them but Cammy was/is an exceptional defender for a mid table team. Under McCann, we changed our style of play to slow build up which didn't do his game any favours (I don't imagine many right backs would be that happy to have slow passing from the 'keeper result in being closed down by two players and having to play the ball on your weaker foot) and changed the way he'd play when he'd hit the byline with pace and just run (winning a few penalties that way). He used to struggle much more defensively but last season, he put in some great performances and was used to specifically neutralise some threats like Cadden etc.

I don't know what's gone on with him but I do think the poor form has been exaggerated a bit and he has actually put in a few really good performances since McIntyre come in. I wouldn't be throwing a contract at him but if he recovers to play a team role until the end of the season, I'd be happy enough  to offer something reasonable. We had the worst ever side assembled in the first half of the season at some times and he was under an unreal amount of pressure - we had very little to press up front or in midfield and I think the defence were really up against it. He's been resilient in his Dundee career so far so I think he'll come back and do OK tbh. If not, someone like Tommy Wright will see the good in him and be happy to take him.

Gowser is Gowser. Not much to say there but we've spent seasons getting frustrated at him before he's come back into the fold and saved us - I remember being delighted at him being dropped one season when we played Hearts at home and he come on at 2-0 down to inspire a semi-flukey 3-2 comeback! He's very dependent on his mobility for his style of play which is at risk of becoming a problem but I think he's still got stuff left in the tank. He had a real impact on the game at Hamilton last week when he come on and I still think we'll see him play a lot. Like Cammy to a certain extent, he's been playing in a team with no real attacking intent and players around him who can't really provide any pressure - Kenny Miller has provided a few big moments but we've seen Curran and Nelson provide some presence with their athleticism. I think the way the team is set up now, he'll look more effective. Gowser is one of these players who I think looks bad when things are falling apart as he doesn't shriek responsibility and hide like others. 

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