All things Dundee FC

[johnnydun]

11 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Jocky Scott hasn't managed for seven years, his last job being with Stirling Albion. He was sacked after seven defeats in a row left them bottom of League One in December - he'd taken them over in January in the Championship.

Discounting brief spells as caretaker and one year as Scotland under-21 manager, Archie Knox hasn't managed since he left Dundee in 1986. In your current position that would be a Tommy Craig level of insane appointment.

Jim Duffy somewhat rebuilt his reputation with Morton after sliding from managing in the top flight to finishing bottom of the fourth tier in the space of six years through being crap in three successive jobs - relegating Dundee in one of them - but ultimately lived off one excellent six month spell in four seasons and was in the end deservedly sacked for overseeing a complete collapse as he couldn't resist tinkering with a winning team.

I fully appreciate being concerned with McIntyre's ability to turn a losing team around, especially considering his reputation for poor man management, along with his tendency to play players out of position and his failure to get an improvement out of underperforming Ross County teams without a January overhaul, with yet another poor summer window ultimately leading to their relegation last season.

However, if you're really saying that a manager who took Ross County into the top six and won a trophy with them, winning the Championship and making the playoffs in previous jobs is a worse option than Jocky Scott (failed to win the Championship in his last spell with Dundee before being a shambles in his last job), Jim Duffy (relegated in his last spell with Dundee, failed to make the playoffs in two out of three Championship seasons in his last job - McIntyre has never failed to finish in the top four in a full season in that division) or Archie Knox (hasn't managed a club in 32 years) you're at it.

I know this is hard for you to take, but being a Dundee legend doesn't actually mean someone will succeed as Dundee manager.

I cant argue with that.

1 minute ago, Dee Man said:

If you're just going to pick out the negative point of Duffy's Dundee managerial career to suit your agenda, I'll put a different spin on it to blow it out the water. 

He twice led us to cup finals at Hampden, ultimately losing to Aberdeen and Rangers. He took us into Europe. He avoided relegation after the squad was decimated due to administration. He was sacked while top of the 2nd tier. 

He wouldn't be anywhere near the top of my list of candidates but let's not pretend McIntyre has proven himself to be a far better manager so far. 

I cant argue with that.

[tree house tam]

Did Duffy lead you to the finals and Europe while you were spunking the 20 odd Million?

[Thomohawk]

12 minutes ago, tree house tam said:

Did Duffy lead you to the finals and Europe while you were spunking the 20 odd Million?

The bitterness is quite palpable. But, yes, Duffy was in cherge from 2002 - 2005 when we reached the Scottish Cup Final (May 2003 - bizarrely left Novo on the bench and played Blunderkid Burchill up front) and the games against Vllaznia and Perugia. 

[Fifespud]

Did Duffy lead you to the finals and Europe while you were spunking the 20 odd Million?

No

[tree house tam]

13 minutes ago, Thomohawk said:

The bitterness is quite palpable. But, yes, Duffy was in cherge from 2002 - 2005 when we reached the Scottish Cup Final (May 2003 - bizarrely left Novo on the bench and played Blunderkid Burchill up front) and the games against Vllaznia and Perugia. 

It was a simple question,  actually didn't know if he was or not, no bitterness on my part.

[Dindeleux]

59 minutes ago, tree house tam said:

Did Duffy lead you to the finals and Europe while you were spunking the 20 odd Million?

 

26 minutes ago, Thomohawk said:

The bitterness is quite palpable. But, yes, Duffy was in cherge from 2002 - 2005 when we reached the Scottish Cup Final (May 2003 - bizarrely left Novo on the bench and played Blunderkid Burchill up front) and the games against Vllaznia and Perugia. 

 

25 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

 

No

 

Someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

[TheScarf]

3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

You should check his actual record. I'm fairly certain he was absolutely dreadful for County every season until the January window, where he was allowed to spend an absolute fortune building a new squad.

The fact it became a running joke should tell you how it common it was.

Yep, Adams then McIntyre did this for their first 3 or 4 seasons in the top flight.  

[Ludo*1]

1 hour ago, Dee Man said:

If you're just going to pick out the negative point of Duffy's Dundee managerial career to suit your agenda, I'll put a different spin on it to blow it out the water. 

He twice led us to cup finals at Hampden, ultimately losing to Aberdeen and Rangers. He took us into Europe. He avoided relegation after the squad was decimated due to administration. He was sacked while top of the 2nd tier. 

He wouldn't be anywhere near the top of my list of candidates but let's not pretend McIntyre has proven himself to be a far better manager so far. 

You've written it much more eloquently than I currently can due to the seethe that is currently within me.

Thank you.

[Dee Man]

Anyone else fired off an email and got a response yet? I just received one with the main part reading:

John has asked me to reply to your email on his behalf.  He has taken note of your comments and can assure you that these will be taken into account in any decision the Board makes.

Even if I was sympathetic to Dodds and could see where he was coming from - which I'm not - I'd still have sent it. Far too many fans online saying they wouldn't be returning for it not to be brought to the board's attention. 

If they somehow decide to ignore fan's opinion and appoint him, the only way he'd be anywhere near forgiven is if he publicly apologised, said he was badly advised at the time, went on an incredible winning streak and shat on a Dundee Utd top in the centre circle pre-match in his first game at Dens. 

 

[Crawford]

I personally can't wait for the charge up the table and the change of attitudes.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, johnnydun said:

I cant argue with that.

I cant argue with that.

You're a really nice chap, you won't get far on P&B with that sort of attitude...

[Maslow]

I personally can't wait for the charge up the table and the change of attitudes.

I too cannot wait for the charge up the table. My opinion if it is Dodds however will not change.
Many of us moved heaven and earth to keep our club alive after we were mismanaged into the debacle that required the sterling effort by supporters through Dee4life to keep our club going.
While this was happening Dodds was trying to kill it.
Was he owed money, undoubtedly, but when he squares this off with making excuses to try to keep (Old) Rangers afloat and denying their creditors the same recourse (ultimately failing 'cos as we know that club died) he became a pariah to me.
If he had a shred of dignity he would simply say, sorry Jim, I can't take this job.
It's a no from me.

[Muggy]

I think McIntyre is a good appointment considering the current context we find ourselves in. Appointing Dodds would clearly be a huge blunder by the club. And it certainly wouldn’t help McIntyre. What’s the situation with our players out on loan? Can we recall? Would imagine McIntyre would want to reassess the squad.

[harry94]

17 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

shat on a Dundee Utd top in the centre circle pre-match in his first game at Dens. 

This is the sort of thinking Scottish Football badly needs. Get this suggestion fired off to the Americans pronto.

[harry94]

Just now, Muggy said:

I think McIntyre is a good appointment considering the current context we find ourselves in. Appointing Dodds would clearly be a huge blunder by the club. And it certainly wouldn’t help McIntyre. What’s the situation with our players out on loan? Can we recall? Would imagine McIntyre would want to reassess the squad.

Can't get anyone back until January. Then, if it's allowed in the deals we've made (which I'd imagine it certainly would be - especially with the likes of Waddell), they can be recalled.

[Ludo*1]

21 minutes ago, Crawford said:

I personally can't wait for the charge up the table and the change of attitudes.

Billy Dodds could win us the Champions League single handedly and I still wouldn't get over that he tried to kill my club. He can get so far to f**k and I'd simply refuse to put my pennies into the club whilst he's there.

It's as simple as that.

Hate is a strong word. I'd go as far to say that I detest Billy Dodds.

[Ludo*1]

29 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

Anyone else fired off an email and got a response yet? I just received one with the main part reading:

John has asked me to reply to your email on his behalf.  He has taken note of your comments and can assure you that these will be taken into account in any decision the Board makes.

Even if I was sympathetic to Dodds and could see where he was coming from - which I'm not - I'd still have sent it. Far too many fans online saying they wouldn't be returning for it not to be brought to the board's attention. 

If they somehow decide to ignore fan's opinion and appoint him, the only way he'd be anywhere near forgiven is if he publicly apologised, said he was badly advised at the time, went on an incredible winning streak and shat on a Dundee Utd top in the centre circle pre-match in his first game at Dens. 

 

Email sent.

[kingjoey]

2 hours ago, killiekranky said:

Jones didn't cheat and the Referee gave a penalty, so no. 

Sorry to go over old ground, but Jones reaction to diving was to put his head in the grass and wait for the booking, which didn’t come.

[kingjoey]

2 hours ago, Dindeleux said:

I'm not sure about killiekranky but there are far too many negatives in that post for me to understand what you are asking.

We got a poor penalty decision (not cheating though I agree) against us against Dundee back in Feb/March time and then in the Motherwell game a couple of weeks ago.  Both times the team came from behind to win those games.   Thats the difference between a manager like Clarke and a manager like McCann.  

If McCann had won the previous 8 games before we beat Dundee would he have been sacked because we won at Dens?  No.  He was sacked because his team have been shite for pretty much this whole calendar year.

So it’s ok to cheat, because the team you cheat against should be good enough to come back and beat you, and if not, it’s there fault.

[DigOutYourSoul]

Anyone want to copy the email they sent for a bit of context? Doesn't need to be verbatim, just the general tone/content?