Fifespud Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 They're a really solid team this season but there is no point being defeatist about anyone out-with the ugly sisters. Mon the dee's. As an aside I'm glad Finn is getting a bit of praise on here - he is a technically gifted midfielder that, as I said earlier, he needs a consistent run in the team before anyone can make proper judgement.It’s a bit of a mystery. He looks very composed, aware, technical etc but no manager has fancied him. I’d love to see him getting a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Den Spark said: Their history involves going bust and buying over Clydebank FC and renaming themselves. Indeed, if I remember correctly they had to re-emerge as Airdrie United, they were not allowed to be named Airdrieonians at that time. No such obstacles from the SFA when one half of the nauseous bigoted Glasgow carbuncles ceased to exist years later in 2012. Regards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Bowyer has been named manager of the month and McMullan receives the player award. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Well deserved for the pair of them. Now let's keep it up. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 More Cumdog FIFA bucks in the bank from the Aussies going through. Kerching. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Delighted for Cumdog and the Aussies, what a week for them. Doubt he'll get any more playing time but he's already seen more WC success than any Scotland squad ever has Plus another £15,000 doesn't hurt With Argentina faltering in Group C too I wouldn't put it past them beating Poland/Saudi Arabia to get to the QFs! Edited November 30, 2022 by RossBFaeDundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/sport/240570/exclusive-griffiths-and-mcgowan-quizzed-by-police-over-suspicious-betting-patterns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, ICTChris said: https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/sport/240570/exclusive-griffiths-and-mcgowan-quizzed-by-police-over-suspicious-betting-patterns It's always the players that you'd least suspect. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/sport/240570/exclusive-griffiths-and-mcgowan-quizzed-by-police-over-suspicious-betting-patterns 1 hour ago, bennett said: It's always the players that you'd least suspect. Griffiths and Gowser getting yellow cards against Hearts shocker! Non story imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Even if the police don't take it further by bringing criminal charges, McGowan's going to be in massive trouble when the SFA get hold of it. In the most recent spate of charges where they found players betting on football they were handing out 8 match suspensions. It's going to be a longer suspension for players betting on games involving their own team, and considerably longer again for spot fixing. If there's evidence of it then a disciplinary ruling would end McGowan's season at the very least, but obviously if a police investigation is ongoing nothing is going to happen imminently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Did Griffiths ever receive his ban for booting the flare into the stand or was that just forgotten about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Wasn't that first reported 1 year ago? Its taken that long to question them FFS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, eindhovendee said: Wasn't that first reported 1 year ago? Its taken that long to question them FFS? Christmas Eve last year. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/dundee-v-hearts-match-under-investigation-over-suspicious-betting-activity-3506592 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netan Sansara Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Not exactly the brains of Britain are they. I think people don’t understand how easy it is for bookmakers to discover irregular betting patterns. I worked for a company that worked with bookies, and the machine learning models can detect statistical irregularities automatically. A market like bookings for Dundee is always going to flag when a large amount of money goes on it. It’s probably taken this long as they gather evidence, but I’d imagine it’s pretty solid if they’ve been arrested now. Maybe points to why Gowser has been out of the team recently? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pens_Dark Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Netan Sansara said: Not exactly the brains of Britain are they. I think people don’t understand how easy it is for bookmakers to discover irregular betting patterns. I worked for a company that worked with bookies, and the machine learning models can detect statistical irregularities automatically. A market like bookings for Dundee is always going to flag when a large amount of money goes on it. It’s probably taken this long as they gather evidence, but I’d imagine it’s pretty solid if they’ve been arrested now. Maybe points to why Gowser has been out of the team recently? How often is criminal action brought forward by the irregularities? I have literally no idea how it works but, say, when a ton of money is ploughed in to a certain manager getting a job and the market is suspended is this then classed as irregular? I suppose my point is Paul Mcgowan and Leigh Griffiths getting booked against hearts in a single game isn't exactly a stretch. It must have been an absolute ton of money put in to these for it to get flagged. Almost certainly why he hasn't been playing because I can't remember him getting a knock. I think the last game he played was against Cove being hooked at half time(?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Pens_Dark said: How often is criminal action brought forward by the irregularities? I have literally no idea how it works but, say, when a ton of money is ploughed in to a certain manager getting a job and the market is suspended is this then classed as irregular? I suppose my point is Paul Mcgowan and Leigh Griffiths getting booked against hearts in a single game isn't exactly a stretch. It must have been an absolute ton of money put in to these for it to get flagged. Almost certainly why he hasn't been playing because I can't remember him getting a knock. I think the last game he played was against Cove being hooked at half time(?) Relatively speaking it doesn't even have to be that much money. It was over 10 years ago but the bet involved with the Steve Jennings case when he was playing for us (also against Hearts funnily enough) was apparently £500 according to The Guardian's golf correspondent. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/dec/15/motherwell-red-card-bet Although this is lifted from the Daily Heil further down the line when Jennings was actually arrested (f**k linking to them): Quote "On the day of the match, someone in Liverpool opened an account with Blue Square to register two £100 bets on a Motherwell player being sent off. The same individual attempted to make further big bets but was halted by the company's online security filter." That fixture was 14th December 2010, the story in the Guardian ran the next day on the 15th. Jennings was arrested 6th October 2011 and cleared 20th April 2012. It feels like it's easy for bookies to flag "suspicious patterns" but I'd imagine it's a much higher bar to clear to prove any sort of conspiracy. Edited December 2, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Netan Sansara said: It’s probably taken this long as they gather evidence, but I’d imagine it’s pretty solid if they’ve been arrested now. Maybe points to why Gowser has been out of the team recently? I’m not sure this’ll be the reason tbh. It would be remiss of the Polis to have given them any sort of warning before turning up to their houses to look for evidence. Although I’m really not sure what they expected to find. It’ll be between the thought in their head and an app on their phone you'd have thought. Turning up to Griffiths’ house with several vans lining the street just sounds like a cock swinging exercise. Eta: Griffiths, I couldn’t care less about, but if this is how Gowzer’s time at the club ends, without a testimonial I’ll be very sad indeed. Edited December 2, 2022 by RawB93 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pens_Dark Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Relatively speaking it doesn't even have to be that much money. It was over 10 years ago but the bet involved with the Steve Jennings case when he was playing for us (also against Hearts funnily enough) was apparently £500 according to The Guardian's golf correspondent. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/dec/15/motherwell-red-card-bet Although this is lifted from the Daily Heil further down the line when Jennings was actually arrested (f**k linking to them): That fixture was 14th December 2010, the story in the Guardian ran the next day on the 15th. Jennings was arrested 6th October 2011 and cleared 20th April 2012. It feels like it's easy for the bookies to flag "suspicious patterns" but I'd imagine it's a much higher bar to clear to prove any sort of conspiracy. I didn't know about the Jennings case at all, cheers for that. Although arrested and cleared was he banned by the SFA? Literally any random punter with a problem could find a random match and bet a significant amount of money on any market... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pens_Dark said: I didn't know about the Jennings case at all, cheers for that. Although arrested and cleared was he banned by the SFA? Literally any random punter with a problem could find a random match and bet a significant amount of money on any market... In Jennings case it was Wayne Rooney's Da' and uncle. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/oct/06/motherwell-steve-jennings-arrested-inquiry?CMP=gu_com Other than the suspension for the red card I don't remember him being subject to any SFA ban. He was arrested 6th October 2011 and made 37 appearances for us in total that season. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/steve-jennings/leistungsdaten/spieler/46115/plus/0?saison=2011 In fact here's his playing time from the date of arrest: Fwiw: this was his playing time after the game he was sent off. Spoiler Edited December 2, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Reese Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Something inherently neddy about some players at Dundee. They seem to be trying to overtake Hibs in this arena. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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