johnnydun Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Ludo*1 said: I don't think we do. We tried 2 up top under McPake and he couldn't get it working hence how Hemmings had to be deployed as the solo figure up top. I just can't agree with you, that you can't replace a 10-14 goals a season striker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Just now, johnnydun said: I just can't agree with you, that you can't replace a 10-14 goals a season striker. He brought more to the team than just those goals and if he had half decent service he'd have scored a good few more IMO. I can't see us agreeing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, johnnydun said: I just can't agree with you, that you can't replace a 10-14 goals a season striker. In reality you can replace one of course, but we haven't managed it often and with what's currently available combined with what we can afford, it'd be bloody hard to effectively do so, considering we couldn't do it in 3 seasons of the Premiership. Edited July 12, 2020 by RossBFaeDundee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, RossBFaeDundee said: In reality you can replace one of course, but we haven't managed it and with what's currently available combined with what we can afford, it'd be bloody hard to effectively do so, considering we couldn't do it in 3 seasons of the Premiership. IMO, a lot more will become available this season, as free agents and loan players as clubs trim their squads. If Hemmings leaves then we have his wage freed up along with Meekings wage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, johnnydun said: I just always got the feeling Hemmings wasn't as happy this time round. 100% agree and I said it fairly early on last season. He never seemed to celebrate with the fans as much as he did first time round and was usually one of the the first up the tunnel after a match. At a guess I’d imagine he was quite frustrated that he was constantly making intelligent runs off the ball that came to nothing. Usually because McDaid wanted to do his wee dance over the ball before deciding to run sideways with it and then pass the ball backwards. Of course it’s not just McDaid’s fault. For the last several seasons we have been painfully slow in our build up play. Little wonder we don’t cause as much danger to opposition defences as we should. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) Danny Johnson did exactly what Hemmings was. He was just as effective but was dumped due to alleged shitehousing and because McPake actually played with and knew Hemmings. This season will be the season to find players as everyone is currently in a similar if not worse circumstance than us. We have the carrot of potential insurance money. Others don't. Edited July 12, 2020 by Crawford 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Crawford said: Danny Johnson did exactly what Hemmings was. He was just as effective but was dumped due to alleged shitehousing and because McPake actually played with and knew Hemmings. He was binned because he was an egotistical arsehole who thought because he didn't play last week he didn't have to train properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkirk09Bairn Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 This all makes for quite grim reading for Dundee. Also quite sad that a Dundee legend would rather the club had to enter administration than he lost a couple of pounds in wages -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 We’re jumping the gun saying Hemmings will be off. The club has asked players to take between 10 & 25% wage cuts and 1 hasn’t. Sensationalised headlines claiming threats etc are best taken with a pinch of salt. The Americans have been extremely loyal to their players/staff since day one and will continue to be. Discussions will continue with whoever the player is and I’d imagine a solution will be met. Regards Hemmings last season the goals started to flow again once we went 2 upfront. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said: This all makes for quite grim reading for Dundee. Also quite sad that a Dundee legend would rather the club had to enter administration than he lost a couple of pounds in wages ^^^^^^^^ Fuckin hell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said: This all makes for quite grim reading for Dundee. 12 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said: a Dundee legend 12 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said: the club had to enter administration An impressive number of embarrassing takes in such a short post. Edited July 12, 2020 by RossBFaeDundee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 That's it Leigh, make them think you're not up to it. It's all coming to plan... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said: That's the name in my head. As I said previously, I'd have had O'Hara, but those jammy Pars b*****ds... Mullen would be no Hemmings. People who only look at the basic stats wouldn't think about how much effort Kano had to put in for most of the season with the lack of support he's had. Ludo's point being that we haven't found another striker of that calibre since his first departure, and I'll be surprised if we do if he goes again. Correct. Peaso etc weren't playing in the same quality of league Hemmings has been playing in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Hemmings would be a huge loss if he went.Any ideas on names to replace him?Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, footballinsider said: A lot is getting made about clubs finances in Scotland. Aberdeen, Dundee, Hearts, Hibs being up front with their fans and Celtic being sensible. They are all owned by wealthy individuals or consortiums. Cormack & investors Keyes Capital Budge & friends Ron Gordon All wealthy, but all making sensible moves now with their clubs & other business interests. They are successful in business as they turn off the expenditure taps at the right time & start planning with insight & being realistic as the country is facing an economic recession or depression. They are asking for wage deferrals & wage cuts from players & staff. They are making financial cuts in clubs departments & In some cases making redundancies. Not because they want too, because they are trying to safeguard their club for generations to come. Certain staff from clubs departments are being let go because the harsh reality is; there is currently no job for them and won’t be for some time. 3/4 of these clubs have signed players, because they need too as that department has a job to do in a matter of weeks - playing football (Hearts could win legal case ). Its all well & good clubs having money just now through season ticket sales & fans fundraising, but without sensible planning that will go down the drain quickly. Luckily Aberdeen & Hibs have TV money, not a lot granted, which will keep the income tap dripping out. Dundee & Hearts don’t, that tap is dried up. No one knows how long this pandemic/economic collapse will go on for. How long until academies can restart, how long until home/away supporters are allowed in stadiums, the list goes on. Best case is home & away fans are allowed in stadiums, Scotlands Covid plan is working and we no longer need Test & Protect. Back to normal for clubs which brings in cash £££. That is unrealistic though at the time of writing. The reality is no away fans in stadiums for some time & home season ticket holders being spread out (more stands need to be open which costs; stewards, electricity, turnstile staff, kiosk staff, police etc), no PATG due to Test & Protect scheme, supporters buying tickets in advance with the capacity reduced to 50% and no fans singing! Undersoil heating (££) will be on during the winter to make sure games are going ahead in a tighter calendar with not a lot of room for rescheduling. Covid testing will continue which cost money, PPE need to be purchased. At this point the players are playing so clubs have wages, bonuses, bus hire, PPE, electricity for stadium, general bills to pay - yet no or extremely limited money coming in. Worst case is no supporters allowed in stadiums until at least January or even until next season at the earliest. Country faces regional lockdowns, another wave and/or football suspended. No furlough option, staff & fans losing their own jobs - literally no income for clubs. In some senses next summer will be harder than this summer. This time next year the country will be in the middle of a recession/depression, high unemployment, attending football matches and saving your club will be the last thing on your mind. This year will have been difficult to find sponsorship deals, next year will be even harder as businesses will be going bust and laying off staff. Smaller clubs could suffer and do they have the infrastructure online/ticket facility as PATG won’t be allowed if Test & Protect is still in place, as the club will need personal details of who attended. Celtic aren’t planning of splashing the cash, why? Because there is a real chance of football being suspended again (More down to resilience factor for emergency services if there is another outbreak). No one can give a date of when this will end, no one has lived through this before. This isn’t a race to see who can hold off the longest before ‘announcing’ savings or not wanting to look ‘bad’ in the media or to your friends who support rivals clubs. This is a marathon to see which club will still be here in 5 years time and to say ‘we were sensible and we planned’. These clubs and some others are planning and being sensible. i.e......the death of football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Reckon we’ll nick Berra from Hertz? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Girth said: Reckon we’ll nick Berra from Hertz? Nope. Neilson giving him a new chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Nope. Neilson giving him a new chance. Before he kicked a ball for us I was giving it all the noises of a deflating bouncy castle, but the lad actually steadied the ship at the back and we were looking good. He also didn't seem to shit it moving forward which was delightful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Bliss Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 46 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: i.e......the death of football. That’s a great post from whoever is footballinsider 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeniedee Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Yenitit said: That’s a great post from whoever is footballinsider indeed it is..he should send it to dc thomsons.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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