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3 hours ago, keptie said:

Good to see the boys back in action,

At this point in time, in all honesty, I feel the opposite. The thought of us actually playing competitive matches which we're not able to attend while we sit about watching a stream of the game (which, at all clubs, will have all manner of issues and failings due to being a new system) is just shite in my opinion. If I wanted to watch football on the TV/ a stream, I can do that literally 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't have any interest in that. Not being in attendance at a game and watching a stream of it basically takes everything I love about football away from it..... I suspect I'm in the minority here but I'd be delighted if the season was postponed as opposed to it going ahead without fans.

Of course, regardless of my personal opinions above, it looks very likely we will be going ahead and that being the case we're obviously in an excellent position on the park, and at this point in time I'd be confident in us being able to finish 8th or above again. The continuity in the squad puts us in such a good position, and like the last few years it gives us a real advantage in first quarter of the season. At this point in time we quite clearly have a better team/ squad than QotS and I'd certainly see us as being on par with 2/3 others at least with even teams like Inverness and Dunfermline losing several key players. Obviously those two will have better individuals than us player for player come the start of the season, but it always takes a team time to adapt, where as we've kept everyone apart from Wighton (who only played 5/6 games, although was superb IMO) and we've added Doolan.

If we are playing a 27 game season to an end; I don't really know if that's a good/ bad or irrelevant thing to us? Being part time, I guess the main thing is as few midweek matches as possible, as opposed to how long the season is....

 

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Agree with Simon about streaming. There's nothing quite like freezing on the terrace at Gayfield on a winter afternoon with all the other masochists and paying for the privilege. Only joking!

Streaming cannot replace the atmosphere of being at a live game. But it seems to be the best alternative whilst supporters aren't allowed into the grounds. I don't know if the club will get any income from streaming but if they do at least that's something positive. 

 As I understand it this virus is here to stay. It isn't going to disappear or die off and a vaccine seems to be the only way to fight it and that seems to be some way off as yet. So it could be that even next season the same restrictions could be in place and streaming the only way to watch matches.

 Unfortunately, at a time when clubs are financially stressed and the longer crowd restrictions apply  it could reduce the attraction for youngsters to support the club, when they cannot see the players in person during games.  Hopefully I'm wrong about that and in the meantime I'm looking forward to seeing the first streamed game but even more looking forward to digging out the winter woolies for getting back to a live match.

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I think there is a danger that enforced absence will break the habit. After all, the prospect of contracting hypothermia for sometimes limited ‘entertainment’ in return is hardly rational.

 Given that we need to live with virus, I think Government ruling out at least some attendance at all especially lower league games is hard both to justify and sustain even with the second wave breaking. Provided due caution is maintained at the pinch points (entry/exit/refreshments), I think attending games at the likes of Gayfield is probably lower risk than ANY other imaginable place or activity especially pubs.

I think streaming of these games is probably better than nothing but not much. I can’t work up much enthusiasm for that compared with the equal joys and horrors of actually being there on the terrace. Mind you, that applies to almost any similar live event- music, drama, etc.

 The Scottish Govt are stressing the simplicity of the protection messages - fair enough - but that does mean excessive caution for some activities and locations that could be functioning.

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Playing Fortmartin on Friday evening at Gayf. Hopefully the cable will be in and the game will be streamed.

As has been said Streaming isn’t ideal but it’s better than not being able to watch a game at all. I sat in Tutties yesterday while the club were playing a few hundred yards away. Didn’t feel great

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Agree with Simon, streaming is a poor consolation to actually being there but I’d take it over nothing at all. I just can’t understand why you can go to the pub with 1m distancing, go to a gym class etc but we can’t get a few hundred outside at the football when we could do staggered entry times, plenty room for social distancing, I’d happily wear a mask and wait to leave the ground safely if it meant I could get in. 

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As one of many long distance Lichties, I think streaming is a good option to have anyway. Having said that, I'll be truly peeved if I am unable to travel up for a couple of matches this season. Hopefully solutions can be made to allow fans back in.

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Edinburgh Evening News reporting we are loaning you Connor Smith for the season.  He looks a very good prospect from what I've seen, very intelligent and although obviously at a much lower level, the Cowdenbeath fans loved him when on loan last season.  I was hoping he'd get a shot at the first team for us but regular Championship football will serve him better than being understudy to Naismith and Walker as game time will be limited.

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Edinburgh Evening News reporting we are loaning you Connor Smith for the season.  He looks a very good prospect from what I've seen, very intelligent and although obviously at a much lower level, the Cowdenbeath fans loved him when on loan last season.  I was hoping he'd get a shot at the first team for us but regular Championship football will serve him better than being understudy to Naismith and Walker as game time will be limited.

Midfielder is he?

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Not great for the players. Days work. Drive to Arbroath etc. Good for fans though.

Hearts game on 24th of October moved to the 23rd for the telly

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I saw the club complained of losing potentially big pay per view revenues. Do we get a one off payment from the BBC for this match?

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2 hours ago, stan3600 said:

I saw the club complained of losing potentially big pay per view revenues. Do we get a one off payment from the BBC for this match?

I believe it's simply within the contractual agreement with the BBC - the money from the deal is split between clubs and if you have to have your game move you take a hit.

I could be wrong here, but it seems to me we've gone from expecting £35,000+ income from this as a home fixture in normal circumstances, down to £0. Our biggest, scheduled, earning game of the season has turned into the game we'll probably lose the most money on in the league. I don't mean 'lose the most amount of money' in terms of a severe decrease in expected income, I mean in terms of us losing thousands of pounds by simply playing the match...... 

In a sense it's not as 'bad' as the Ross County League Cup game. Full COVID testing requiring paid for, from what I've read the players must not travel to the game in mixed households (so that's 16+ cars heading up the A9 requiring fuel paid for), the usual contractual bonuses in place for the players and the club might even decide to fork out a few quid to enable to the players to have a shower somewhere, considering they aren't allowed to do so at the ground and sending the players on a 3/4 hour solo drive home is not the best to put it mildly. I am somewhat skeptical that the amount of money made and split from a stream of this game will do little to help cover costs.

I'd also be very wary of a new camera system built on the whim of a Celtic fan bizarrely proclaiming how he wants to help Albion Rovers out in this difficult time etc etc, and his way of doing that is to use them to get himself PR/ gain traction for his business idea. The reality of the system is that it is a business, and the aim is for Pixellot to make money from Scottish football by streaming games and taking a cut of it. It has nothing to do with 'helping out' or being a 'saviour' or any shite like this. It is a businessman taking advantage of a business opportunity. Have you seen how frustrated/ annoyed people get when cameramen miss key moments in games for the highlights package, and people are annoyed because they wanted to see them again? Imagine that's a competitive match being streamed and oh, it's cut out, oh it's back but the camera's looking at the wrong part of the pitch, oh I hear some cheering but I'm not sure if something's happened off camera, or if it's just synced badly and that's from 10 seconds ago, or 10 seconds in the future etc etc. Doesn't matter, the whole things just frozen again anyway :rolleyes: 

Essentially we (Scottish football) are in a very difficult position, but we've decided to go ahead with things. In my opinion this means that all SPFL clubs have to accept losing the majority of their income, having additional expenses to pay, and being pretty much fully reliant (ourselves, L1 and L2 clubs especially) on a camera system that none of us have ever used, to be completely successful and allow all of our fans to watch every competitive game this season. with no issues..... or else we're just paying thousands of pounds to play games of football that no-one is able to see.

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Simon, as always I agree with most of your points, but Mark Millar didn't invent or has nothing to do with Pixellot.   I'm pretty sure all he has done has just bought the camera system for Albion Rovers to use to stream their games. 

https://www.pixellot.tv/about-us/team/

I am sure LeodhasXD and Skyline Drifter have both mentioned in the thread about streaming matches that Pixellot cameras were meant to be installed last season at all Championship clubs by the SPFL  but the Pandemic stopped that.   I believe that League 1 and League 2 have to invest in the system themselves, so Mark Millar had donated the camera Albion Rovers which was then picked up by the mainstream media as a nice local boy comes back from Hollywood type of story that everyone loves!

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Surely the players dont need to take separate vehicles when they’re running about on a pitch together? Absolutely ludicrous if true

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