Casual Bystander Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 http://news.stv.tv/west-central/290307-ukip-set-to-hold-pro-union-rally-in-scotland-days-before-referendum/ UK party leader Nigel Farage will join Scottish party chairman Arthur Misty Thackery, Scottish MEP David Coburn and elected Ukip members from around the UK for the rally in Glasgow on September 12. The actual location of this rally is apparently being kept under wraps due to "security reasons", but in the article Coburn goes on to say that the Better Together campaign has made a bad fist of things, being too weak and to quote being "wishy washy" as demonstrated by Jim Murphy for shiting it when faced with opposition. It's surely a gamble for UKIP, and one might wonder just what their motivation is. The cynic made be tempted with the idea that UKIP's divisive nature will enhance the Yes vote in a hope of wiping out 59 seats from Westminster and removing a huge chunk of Labour and Liberal constituencies and giving them a far greater chance of power in future general elections. If you do not wish to go down the Machiavellian route then perhaps it's an attempt to engender the Scots into scenes of aggression and violence thus helping the No vote. Perhaps they just think they can turn up, say their stuff and people will take them at face value and consider their vision for Britain, although of all the possibilities you'd have to say that this latter one is least likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The Faragists have learned a lot from the mistakes of all the other populist or far right parties that have come & gone over the decades. Back in the 1970s, the National Front were frozen out of the 1974-75 Common Market referendum campaign & their reaction was attempting to gatecrash "No" events (as to be fair did a number of Trotskyite & other "Toytown Revolutionary Front" type groups) which did little more than further convince people that the Tony Benn & Enoch Powell led "No" campaign consisted of just about every headbanger in town. If you gatecrash someone else's event, all you're doing is admitting no one's paying attention to you - ultimately it's a show of weakness (although try convincing the "Socialist Workers" of that one!). UKIP did the right thing in refusing to take the hump about being frozen out of the official campaign, but carrying on as before doing their own thing & planning their targets carefully. With the "No" campaign starting to go into complete panic that they might lose after all (remember, this time last year the odds were 1/5 for a "No" vote win), and Slimy Murphy making a prat of himself, Mr Bean & his krazy gang can come up here knowing whatever happens, they'll profit from it. If the "No" vote scrapes to victory, they can claim their last minute intervention saved the Union ("It Wos U-Kip Wot Won It!") - good momentum for the forthcoming by-election. If the "Yes" vote wins, UKIP can claim had they not been frozen out from the "No" campaign by the "Establishment Parties" they might have been able to save the day ("after all, we did get an MEP elected in the summer all the experts 'knew' we'd no chance of winning!") - again good momentum for the forthcoming by-election. A gamble? People ought to have realised by now that the only time UKIP turn up in town these days is when the odds are heavily in their favour to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 A gamble? People ought to have realised by now that the only time UKIP turn up in town these days is when the odds are heavily in their favour to begin with. Not sure you could spin it that "the odds are heavily in their favour", but I take your point. Everything UKIP does is all for the benefit of UKIP and not the people they claim to represent. Hateful man, hateful party, hateful politics. The difficult job the Yes camp has is turning this mess, along with the Orange Order march, into a positive for them. I honestly wouldn't put it past the No camp from hiring a rent-a-mob from South of the border to cause trouble and paint it as Yes anti-English aggression. Might sound tin-foil hat thinking, but by the time any investigation into any incidents happen the vote will have been taken and any perceived damaged done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 What UKIP is saying down South: http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/english-resentment-increases-over-scots-freebies-1-3517631 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Just read the BBC article about this and noticed the following Better Together said that UKIP had "no part to play" in its campaign. So not really Better Together then! I also haven't heard UKIP being asked to sign up to the no CU stance that the two major UK parties + the irrelevant Lib Dems have agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Farage genuinely is quite the nutter, so I suppose it's plausible that he's doing this to stoke up the Yes vote to rid England of those pesky, non-immigrant-hating Trotskyists north of the border. The BBC will be absolutely shitting themselves for this. They can't possibly want to draw attention to it because of the impact it'll have, but at the same time they can't not show Farage for 24 whole hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 The BBC will be absolutely shitting themselves for this. They can't possibly want to draw attention to it because of the impact it'll have, but at the same time they can't not show Farage for 24 whole hours. Farage in Scotland will be wall to wall coverage both up here and down South, although for different reasons. The more I think about it, it's purely grandstanding with nothing to do with the referendum and any bonus he can get, like WaffenThinMint suggests, is a win/win situation for him. Up here he will be seen as a thorn in the side of everyone, down South he'll be portrayed as a new Duke of Cumberland out to quell the restless natives. Interestingly the BBC have been saying they will not report on the Orange Order march on (or around) the same day. Not sure what to make of that. On one hand I don't want them getting publicity and I certainly don't want the Yes campaign associated with the violence that will come with it, but on the other I think seeing the loathsome c***s showing their smug faces will help the Yes vote. Apparently there are already tens of thousands making their way from N.I. for this, whether you believe that or not with some wanting to take in the Farage road show in Glasgow before moving onto their march in Edinburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Interestingly the BBC have been saying they will not report on the Orange Order march on (or around) the same day. Not sure what to make of that. You can make out that the BBC has calculated that it will have a negative effect on the No vote, and that it is thus a fragrant breach of their mandate. Gawd, maybe someone could convince Farage to join in the march? They'd be throwing themselves out of high windows at Broadcasting House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Lot's of YES folk on Twitter using #ignorefarage. UKIP, like the Tories, couldn't give twa shits if Scots vote YES. The hilarity of all this indyref caper is, if YES win, those who didn't vote YES will vote in Labour at the next Scottish elections. Not that it'll matter. Whoever wins our next election will be pimping the countries arse to Brussels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The hilarity of all this indyref caper is, if YES win, those who didn't vote YES will vote in Labour at the next Scottish elections. Yes, that's an absolute gut-ripper. A Labour Party cut off from the neoliberals in the City could well be a compelling alternative to the SNP. I don't see how they'd win an overall majority if they can't even get one in the referendum while in bed with the Tories, the LIb Dems and Ukip, but then I'm not the one cooking up masturbatory doomsday scenarios to try to soothe my conscience for having voted the wrong way. Meanwhile, you're free to vote for any one of the various protofascist groups that will continue to get onto Scottish ballots if you truly believe that EU membership is the true root cause of your unhappiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Farage coming to Glasgow? To sort out these rebellious types? To correct BT's wishy washy rhetoric? To improve and toughen up the soft UKOK message? To protect BT victims with their (blackshirted) UKIP street guardians? What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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