~~~ Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 No, he's not a Muslim. He, like any socialist, stands up for those who are powerless (I know that's a fairly vague statement but I stand by it - there will be plenty of exceptions to the rule though). I agree with most of his points of view. Unfortunately he appears to be an 'A' grade arsehole - and so when some nut job lamps him in the street - lots of folk celebrate. So why is the guy being charged with a hate crime? That seems well dodgy. It seems the religion which caused the 'religiously motivated assault' was his own. I.e they are charging him with a worse offence because he's Jewish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He, like any socialist, stands up for those who are powerless He stands up for George Galloway and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 In 2005 he was going around Bow in East London proclaiming himself a Muslim (as opposed to his Jewish opponent) and was widely seen in the area as stirring up tensions over her race and religion. In 2011 he was in Glasgow trying to get a seat in Hollyrood by proclaiming himself a Catholic and life long Celtic fan while campaigning around "sectarianism". By 2012 he was back to being a Muslim in Bradford. He uses race, religion, ethnicity and the divisions between people to stir up votes for himself. I try to avoid patriotism but I must admit to a slight swelling of pride that he didn't even manage 3.5% of the vote in Glasgow. He stands up for George Galloway and nothing more. Ask anyone who has had anything to do with the man politically and chances are that's what they'll say. My family know people in the Labour Party who were scathing of Galloway, long before he was expelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 So why is the guy being charged with a hate crime? That seems well dodgy. It seems the religion which caused the 'religiously motivated assault' was his own. I.e they are charging him with a worse offence because he's Jewish. A hate crime doesn't have to be perpetrated against a muslim (or black person, or gay person etc.). Its about the issue involved. If the crime is meditated by such an issue then the crime becomes a hate crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He stands up for George Galloway and nothing more. I'm not arguing that but he clearly stands up for other - less powerful - groups. That can't really be argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm not arguing that but he clearly stands up for other - less powerful - groups. That can't really be argued. He choses who to "stand up for" based on race, religion or ethnicity. Not class. He is a reactionary throw back riding on the coat tails of social divisions to a fat pay cheque where he can find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He choses who to "stand up for" based on race, religion or ethnicity. Not class. He is a reactionary throw back riding on the coat tails of social divisions to a fat pay cheque where he can find them. Again - I don't disagree. But he still stands up for groups who tend to be oppressed or misrepresented. I much prefer a politician who doesn't follow like a sheep but actually challenges those in power. There are far better politicians, and far better people, but he is an important voice in 21st century Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Again - I don't disagree. But he still stands up for groups who tend to be oppressed or misrepresented. I much prefer a politician who doesn't follow like a sheep but actually challenges those in power. There are far better politicians, and far better people, but he is an important voice in 21st century Britain. He stands up for them, for the wrong reasons The reasons being his own personal gain, Do you really think he stood as an MP for Bradford West because the muslims in the community had been suffering persecution? Of course not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He stands up for them, for the wrong reasons The reasons being his own personal gain, Do you really think he stood as an MP for Bradford West because the muslims in the community had been suffering persecution? Of course not Maybe so - but I don't see many other politicians taking on islamophobia in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe so - but I don't see many other politicians taking on islamophobia in Britain. Is he actually tackling Islamophobia though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Is he actually tackling Islamophobia though? No, he's not. I can't remember him doing anything of note since he became an MP for Bradford West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Galloway is a snivelling shit, a terrible excuse for a man. He represents nobody but himself, claiming to represent the oppressed and poor whilst only interested in feeding his own ego. "I thought he would be a strong voice for Bradford. I've lived in the constituency for 10 years and worked there for six, and things need to change. It's a tinderbox, racially, and there are massive inequalities, massive social deprivation. I was hopeful he was going to help vulnerable people." http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/14/george-galloway-losing-respect-bradford He's scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 A hate crime doesn't have to be perpetrated against a muslim (or black person, or gay person etc.). Its about the issue involved. If the crime is meditated by such an issue then the crime becomes a hate crime. From the details made public it seems pretty clear that the guy attacked Galloway because of Galloway's political beliefs. It wasn't a fight over religion and calling it a hate crime devalues real hate crimes. Also, given that galloway himself does quite a bit to stir up racial tensions, it's particularly out of order. Maybe so - but I don't see many other politicians taking on islamophobia in Britain. Is he taking on Islamophobia or is he promoting intolerance himself, just from the other side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Did he not describe Bradford as an Israel-free zone a few days ago or something similiar? Yep, whilst Israel was blowing the inhabitants of Gaza to buggery. Is that bigotry? Don't get me wrong I think he's an opportunistic sh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Is Galloway actually a Muslim? I know he panders to islamic groups and that muslims make up a huge percentage of respect voters but is he one himself? AS for him being a bigot, if he isn't one himself he certainly uses it to his advantage as often as possible. No idea if he's a muslim or not, I simply explained why the charge of religiously aggravated assault was possible. Your last sentence makes no sense btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 From the details made public it seems pretty clear that the guy attacked Galloway because of Galloway's political beliefs. It wasn't a fight over religion and calling it a hate crime devalues real hate crimes. Which details made public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 No idea if he's a muslim or not, I simply explained why the charge of religiously aggravated assault was possible. Your last sentence makes no sense btw. What I meant was that if George isn't a bigot himself, he certainly uses the bigotry of others to his personal advantage. It's like Nick Griffin. He's actually a smart guy so there's no way he personally believes the BNP party line in full. No person with a properly working brain could. Griffin will still spout the party line though and becomes a political influence because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 What I meant was that if George isn't a bigot himself, he certainly uses the bigotry of others to his personal advantage. It's like Nick Griffin. He's actually a smart guy so there's no way he personally believes the BNP party line in full. No person with a properly working brain could. Griffin will still spout the party line though and becomes a political influence because of it. No argument over that. George has been an opportunist since his Scumdee city cooncil and War on Want days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Well it looks like the case against Galloway for inciting violence is pretty clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.