YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Get them back,try and get them to grass up their pals and try them for crimes against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In the day the Tories would have been oppossed to UK citizens who joined the International Brigade and went to fight Franco's fascist regime. Oh aye, Orwell and Laurie lee lost their citizenship. Oh, wait...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The point has been made a couple of times, but in the 1930's, some Scots went to Spain to fight against a dictatorship, clearly against the wishes of the UK Government of the day. Many were Communists or Anarchists - the bogeymen of the day - and they were radicalised. We celebrate them now. In the 2010's, we have some Scots going to Syria to fight against a dictatorship, clearly (now) against the wishes of the UK Government of the day. Many are Islamists - the bogeymen of the day - and they are radicalised. Will we celebrate them in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Probably not unless there's a mass global conversion to Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Nearly 3 times as many IRA men volunteered for Franco as did for the Republicans. Just thought I'd share that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Says Tory MP David Davis http://news.sky.com/story/1323770/calls-to-strip-british-jihadists-of-passports Get the impression it's just a easy way for the UK Gov to wash it's hands off responsibility to deal with these people. I don't imagine anyone convicted of murder, rape etc... On UK soil will be under threat of deportation if they're citizens Which country gets them after us? If no-one wants them, do we just fire them into space or do we stick them on St Kilda and forget about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Which country gets them after us? If no-one wants them, do we just fire them into space or do we stick them on St Kilda and forget about them? Traditionally we gifted them to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The International Brigades weren't involved in war crimes or atrocities like the current mob of Islamists running around Iraq and Syria. Well, apart from burning down churches, killing nuns and priests of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Traditionally we gifted them to Australia.Good call. I'm a stickler for tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty the bullwee man Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Water boarding,Thumbscrews,Baton, Chair with no seat? that won't work as torture. tie them to a chair and force them to watch sportscence on a loop. any jihadist would crack after 2 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 How many points does a terrorist need to get into Australia? Do the older ones with less qualifications have to settle for NZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 How many points does a terrorist need to get into Australia? Do the older ones with less qualifications have to settle for NZ? Kiribati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Kiribati Is it nice this time of year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Is it nice this time of year? I guess not..... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/12/new-zealand-refuses-climate-change-refugees-mass-action-is-now-needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 My point was more 'where do you draw the line' once the precedent has been set. Whoever is in power could then abuse it and even extend it to the likes of environmental campaigners (off the top of my head that one) or even journalists in foreign conflicts who don't report what the government want them too. Once your citizenship becomes up for debate it can be used to make people toe the line. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't think its likely any time soon but if its there it can be misused. I'm also a little confused, if you take the citizenship off someone. This could be really misused. Example being, the situation in Iraq, if the Iraqi government win this conflict, capture 100 UK citizens fighting for IS, do we just say "yeah, to hell with them" but, say the same scenario happens in Syria do we still take that stance or start plea bargaining? It can't work this policy, it's just another knee jerk reaction that cozies up to the electorate/Daily Mail reader over the very sad and discusting evens over the last few weeks, that's got everyone attention what's happening in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 My point was more 'where do you draw the line' once the precedent has been set. Whoever is in power could then abuse it and even extend it to the likes of environmental campaigners (off the top of my head that one) or even journalists in foreign conflicts who don't report what the government want them too. Once your citizenship becomes up for debate it can be used to make people toe the line. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't think its likely any time soon but if its there it can be misused. I'm also a little confused, if you take the citizenship off someone. This could be really misused. Example being, the situation in Iraq, if the Iraqi government win this conflict, capture 100 UK citizens fighting for IS, do we just say "yeah, to hell with them" but, say the same scenario happens in Syria do we still take that stance or start plea bargaining? It can't work this policy, it's just another knee jerk reaction that cozies up to the electorate/Daily Mail reader over the very sad and disgusting evens over the last few weeks, that's got everyone attention what's happening in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I'm also a little confused, if you take the citizenship off someone. This could be really misused. Example being, the situation in Iraq, if the Iraqi government win this conflict, capture 100 UK citizens fighting for IS, do we just say "yeah, to hell with them" but, say the same scenario happens in Syria do we still take that stance or start plea bargaining? It can't work this policy, it's just another knee jerk reaction that cozies up to the electorate/Daily Mail reader over the very sad and disgusting evens over the last few weeks, that's got everyone attention what's happening in the middle east. Which is why it's not policy, merely deluded ramblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I guess not..... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/12/new-zealand-refuses-climate-change-refugees-mass-action-is-now-needed Sounds perfect. An island that's slowly sinking. Advertise it as an 'up and coming' Atlantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Koop Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 If you go overseas to fight for a group that is (amongst others) against the UK then yes, you shouldn't be allowed back here. Depends really. If you go overseas and fight for a cause approved by and in the economic interests of our lords and masters you might do very well out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Koop Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 In the day the Tories would have been oppossed to UK citizens who joined the International Brigade and went to fight Franco's fascist regime. They were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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