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Closing date for applications was 15th June, so hopefully hear something shortly on who is in and structure for next season.

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We've had notice that we've been accepted and that league set-up will announced next week.

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Rumour alert - so all the usual caveats about it being possibly pish.

33 applications I've heard.

One sticking point is holding up the release of the teams and fixtures.  Team 33 was Preston athletic who applied right on the 15th.

Arguments are ongoing as to whether their application was in on time or time.  ie were applications to be in before the 5 (2359 on 14th) or was it midnight ON the 15th?

Apparently the league (also know as spartans as everything is run by them and for them - lol) don't want 33 teams as 32 is easier obviously, so trying to find a way to exclude preston 20s.  SFA involved (so it will be some point in december before a decision is made.....)

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6 minutes ago, oldandround said:

Rumour alert - so all the usual caveats about it being possibly pish.

33 applications I've heard.

One sticking point is holding up the release of the teams and fixtures.  Team 33 was Preston athletic who applied right on the 15th.

Arguments are ongoing as to whether their application was in on time or time.  ie were applications to be in before the 5 (2359 on 14th) or was it midnight ON the 15th?

Apparently the league (also know as spartans as everything is run by them and for them - lol) don't want 33 teams as 32 is easier obviously, so trying to find a way to exclude preston 20s.  SFA involved (so it will be some point in december before a decision is made.....)

The same Preston who scratched in the youth cup and pulled out the 20’s in league?

 

I’d like to see the strongest teams play each other as it benefits no one having high scores and uncompetitive games. Top 8 from each conference last season into a conference and rest in another. It’s about development first and foremost and competitive games develop everyone.

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Given matches are a Friday night I hope consideration has been given to location as travelling could be an issue as well as cost.

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Given matches are a Friday night I hope consideration has been given to location as travelling could be an issue as well as cost.

Everyone knows  these things before they apply, so teams should be prepared to accept it.

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Everyone knows  these things before they apply, so teams should be prepared to accept it.
That's obvious, but also this is u20 football, it doesn't need clubs travelling all over the central belt on a Friday night in order to develop players, which is what its all about.

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Having hierarchical divisions in a youth league is problematic as the churn of players is so great. Nothing to say the top teams from last season will be the top teams this season.

You would certainly need very considerable promotion-and-relegation to keep it in reasonable check.


All the teams must be within 45-60mins drive of one another with the exception of Bonnyton and Mid Annandale, and they're far away from everyone.

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52 minutes ago, oldandround said:

Rumour alert - so all the usual caveats about it being possibly pish.

33 applications I've heard.

One sticking point is holding up the release of the teams and fixtures.  Team 33 was Preston athletic who applied right on the 15th.

Arguments are ongoing as to whether their application was in on time or time.  ie were applications to be in before the 5 (2359 on 14th) or was it midnight ON the 15th?

Apparently the league (also know as spartans as everything is run by them and for them - lol) don't want 33 teams as 32 is easier obviously, so trying to find a way to exclude preston 20s.  SFA involved (so it will be some point in december before a decision is made.....)

If their application was in on time and up to standard I don’t see why they wouldn’t be accepted, which makes me think it wasn’t on time.

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50 minutes ago, pipedreamer said:

The same Preston who scratched in the youth cup and pulled out the 20’s in league?

 

I’d like to see the strongest teams play each other as it benefits no one having high scores and uncompetitive games. Top 8 from each conference last season into a conference and rest in another. It’s about development first and foremost and competitive games develop everyone.

yes.

However this year is the complete Longniddry Villa u19's team (who are actually 2001 so were an u18 team) , coaches and all, that just won the SERYFA U19 league along with 4 cups, that's becoming Preston athletic.

That team has been together with the same coaches since 5 years old.  They'll be fine for 2 years at u20's I reckon.

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Having hierarchical divisions in a youth league is problematic as the churn of players is so great. Nothing to say the top teams from last season will be the top teams this season.

You would certainly need very considerable promotion-and-relegation to keep it in reasonable check.


All the teams must be within 45-60mins drive of one another with the exception of Bonnyton and Mid Annandale, and they're far away from everyone.
That's reasonable for travel.

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yes.
However this year is the complete Longniddry Villa u19's team (who are actually 2001 so were an u18 team) , coaches and all, that just won the SERYFA U19 league along with 4 cups, that's becoming Preston athletic.
That team has been together with the same coaches since 5 years old.  They'll be fine for 2 years at u20's I reckon.
Would 17 teams in one of the Conferences be such a bad thing? I appreciate it also complicates cups a little upsetting the nice round number 32.

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5 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
16 minutes ago, oldandround said:
yes.
However this year is the complete Longniddry Villa u19's team (who are actually 2001 so were an u18 team) , coaches and all, that just won the SERYFA U19 league along with 4 cups, that's becoming Preston athletic.
That team has been together with the same coaches since 5 years old.  They'll be fine for 2 years at u20's I reckon.

Would 17 teams in one of the Conferences be such a bad thing? I appreciate it also complicates cups a little upsetting the nice round number 32.

Hell of a lot of football... 34 league dates instead of 30 and all the cups requiring a Preliminary tie.

In theory someone could play 51 games over 53 dates (plus any Scottish Youth Cup ties).

There are usually just under 40 Fridays - less any cancellations/postponements - once deducted Christmas break etc.

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2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
13 minutes ago, oldandround said:
yes.
However this year is the complete Longniddry Villa u19's team (who are actually 2001 so were an u18 team) , coaches and all, that just won the SERYFA U19 league along with 4 cups, that's becoming Preston athletic.
That team has been together with the same coaches since 5 years old.  They'll be fine for 2 years at u20's I reckon.

Would 17 teams in one of the Conferences be such a bad thing? I appreciate it also complicates cups a little upsetting the nice round number 32.

Absolutely not. Especially considering its more likely than not that one or more will fold during the season.

Heard Haddington (usual rumour alert disclaimer) are toiling for a team.

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On 22/06/2019 at 12:31, Burnie_man said:

Given matches are a Friday night I hope consideration has been given to location as travelling could be an issue as well as cost.

5 years in, of course it has. 

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On 22/06/2019 at 12:58, oldandround said:

yes.

However this year is the complete Longniddry Villa u19's team (who are actually 2001 so were an u18 team) , coaches and all, that just won the SERYFA U19 league along with 4 cups, that's becoming Preston athletic.

That team has been together with the same coaches since 5 years old.  They'll be fine for 2 years at u20's I reckon.

That sounds more promising. Can understand the reservations after a number of withdrawals over the last few years that have caused so much disruption. 

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5 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

Any update on structure yet?

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