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Really interesting mix of teams next season:

   1 SPFL               (Edinburgh City)
   9 Lowland       (non-participants are East Stirlingshire; Civil Service Strollers; all Border + D&G clubs except Gala; plus EK who make-up numbers in SPFL league)
16 EOS
   2 SOS                
(Bonnyton + Mid Annandale)


Bonnyton, Mid Annandale and Gala carry presence to Ayrshire, D&G and Borders.

All the "first wave" of new EOS clubs have joined except Bonnyrigg (who have traditionally favoured SYFA U21s), Crossgates and Easthouses.

Of the existing EOS clubs from the central belt only Burntisland, Ormiston and Leith (who also play SYFA U21s) don't feature.

Burntisland, Civil Service and Selkirk have featured recently but not next season.

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East Kilbride?  They were playing in development league west last season, no mention of them?

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Any indication as to when fixtures will be released?

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They're usually out around the middle of July.

Apparently the SFA is turning the Scottish Youth Cup into an U18s tournament, in connection with SPFL turning U20s into "reserves"... so unfortunately that particular opportunity is ending. Disappointing they wouldn't continue the Youth Cup nor another tournament at that level, but it's all about the big boys these days. Some non-league teams had great runs and taken notable scalps in SYC.
 

17 hours ago, gogsy said:

East Kilbride?  They were playing in development league west last season, no mention of them?

Presumably doing so again, though as regards Berwick's U20s I'd heard there weren't enough teams for East & West, and so it was being combined into a national semi-pro "reserve" division.

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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

They're usually out around the middle of July.

Apparently the SFA is turning the Scottish Youth Cup into an U18s tournament, in connection with SPFL turning U20s into "reserves"... so unfortunately that particular opportunity is ending. Disappointing they wouldn't continue the Youth Cup nor another tournament at that level, but it's all about the big boys these days. Some non-league teams had great runs and taken notable scalps in SYC.

 

Presumably that means then no more non-SPFL clubs in the Youth Cup? very disappointing.

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No idea how it will work at U18s level, just going by some chat on the cup sub-forum thread from a while ago and a newspaper snippet.

Originally it was open to all SFA members, including non-leaguers... then it was widened-out to all clubs in the senior U20s leagues, i.e. including non-SFA members.

So if it reverts to the original criteria then all LL clubs plus a few EOSL would still be able to enter, if they've U18s teams (perhaps a bespoke mixture of U17s & U19s given those are SYFA age-groups)... i.e. Spartans, LTHV, Cumbernauld, BSCG, EK, Gala, Kelty.

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3 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

They're usually out around the middle of July.

Apparently the SFA is turning the Scottish Youth Cup into an U18s tournament, in connection with SPFL turning U20s into "reserves"... so unfortunately that particular opportunity is ending. Disappointing they wouldn't continue the Youth Cup nor another tournament at that level, but it's all about the big boys these days. Some non-league teams had great runs and taken notable scalps in SYC.
 

Presumably doing so again, though as regards Berwick's U20s I'd heard there weren't enough teams for East & West, and so it was being combined into a national semi-pro "reserve" division.

The Youth Cup originally started as an U18 tournament and was so for many years it only went up age groups along with the SPL/SFL/SPFL youth leagues over the years. Just back to the original idea.

Non league sides would still be able to take part just have to use players who are in the age criteria.

The reserve league below the top division is a combined East/West and the reason Cowden didn't enter a side.

 

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11 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said:

The Youth Cup originally started as an U18 tournament and was so for many years it only went up age groups along with the SPL/SFL/SPFL youth leagues over the years. Just back to the original idea.

Non league sides would still be able to take part just have to use players who are in the age criteria.

Unless they'll open-up the cup to any senior club (i.e. on the basis of the adult team) that won't be the case. For a long time it was only open to SFA member clubs; then latterly to SFA member clubs and non-member clubs playing in one of the senior U20s leagues. As there aren't senior U18s leagues the last method can't work? Some clubs haven't anyone that age anyway (e.g. unis) even if they did throw-open the doors.

Of the 28 clubs playing in this coming season's Lowland & EOS U20s only 12 are SFA members (including Edinburgh City) - and 3 of those can't have any players eligible at U18s level (Edinburgh Uni, Stirling Uni, Edusport), while some of the remaining 9 also might not have teams at that age-group. Previously all 28 could have entered the SYC.

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1 minute ago, HibeeJibee said:

Unless they'll open-up the cup to any senior club (i.e. on the basis of the adult team) that won't be the case. For a long time it was only open to SFA member clubs; then latterly to SFA member clubs and non-member clubs playing in one of the senior U20s leagues. As there aren't senior U18s leagues the last method can't work? Some clubs haven't anyone that age anyway (e.g. unis).

The non league sides who have their license would be ok I would imagine as you say don't know about the other teams from the U20 league they would maybe be allowed in, not all their players would be over age for it, as you also say the Uni sides would be gubbed.

The Project Brave thing is all loaded towards the top sides if some of the non leaguers don't get it I doubt if Mackay would give a stuff most of the non full timers in the SPFL have already been shafted by the new system.

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Aye, as I say by the looks of it 7 of the 16 Lowland + 6 EOS clubs with SFA membership have U19s and/or U17s teams from which they could put a composite U18s together.

There must be fairly few players regularly featuring in Lowland & EOS U20s league who are playing 2 years above their category.

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6 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Aye, as I say by the looks of it 7 of the 16 Lowland + 6 EOS clubs with SFA membership have U19s and/or U17s teams from which they could put a composite U18s together.

There must be fairly few players regularly featuring in Lowland & EOS U20s league who are playing 2 years above their category.

Never seen much of the L&EOS U20 league but teams must have a mixture, when Cowden had a side the last 2 seasons was mostly made of players well below the age limit. Imo your better fielding the younger players at that level once guys are 19/20 they should be looking to be pushing to get in a 1st team.

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Conference A will have 13 and Conference B 14 as Sauchie were in Conference A.

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1 minute ago, gaz1959 said:

Conference A will have 13 and Conference B 14 as Sauchie were in Conference A.

That's not what the fixtures say, 12 in Conference A and 15 in Conference B (ie 7 fixtures plus one idle every week)

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The idle team each Friday is in section A for league games. Sauchie were in Section 4 for the group stages of the league cup, so that section only has 5 teams

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1 minute ago, gaz1959 said:

The idle team each Friday is in section A for league games. Sauchie were in Section 4 for the group stages of the league cup, so that section only has 5 teams

Right OK got it, the idle team being listed under Conference B makes it look like a 15 team league.  Makes sense now!

 

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