RealMaroon Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hi guys, Currently workibg on a 4 on 4 off basis 12 hour shifts rotating days and nights. Wonder if anyone works simikar and what their holiday entitlement is. I assumed it must be 28 days but have been told I have 22 and a half days holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 28 days. don't get bank holidays so I have to use one of my days from my 28 if I want it off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It'll be in your contract . Which you will have agreed and signed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It'll be in your contract . Which you will have agreed and signed .That doesn't necessarily make it correct/legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Employment contracts can be a useful source of information but it is not the source of the mutual contractual obligations of employee/ employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracowjambo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I worked something similar before but it was 3days every second week and I got 18.5 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hi guys, Currently workibg on a 4 on 4 off basis 12 hour shifts rotating days and nights. Wonder if anyone works simikar and what their holiday entitlement is. I assumed it must be 28 days but have been told I have 22 and a half days holiday. Is that equivalented into hours? 22.5 x 12 = 270 hours. 28 x 8 = 224. You're better off than someone who does 'normal' shifts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 you get less holiday 'days' because you work longer hours. I think the holidays will be worked out on a FTE basis where by 8 hours is a normal FT day. On this basis 22.5 days holiday @ 12 hours pay sounds about right. Not got time to do the maths but it seems about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You get four days off, every four days. Stop your fucking whinging. Also gets 12 days off work by taking 4 'days' holiday. Good deal if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'd hate having to hold a shite in for four days to avoid shiting on my own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Statutory entitlement is 28 days (including all public holidays) for a full-time employee and if you're getting less they're breaking the law. As others have said though, it'll be based on hours. The NHS do that, I'm sure many others do too. When I get a day off I get paid for 8 hours. You'll be getting paid for 12 hours, so you'll be getting the same paid amount of time off as someone with more actual holiday days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 A lot of the guys at my work do the same shift pattern as you and get the 28 days holiday as well. Not a bad deal tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenHibee Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I now work 8:30-5:30 every day but get about 32 days off + bank holidays a year...not bad for a graduate job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mid-table Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Absolute statutory minimum based on what you have said is 19.6 days, or 235.2 hours, to include bank holidays. 28 days is the statutory minimum for a 5 day worker. Over one cycle of your shift pattern you work an average of 3.5 days per week. Therefore 28*3.5/5 = 19.6 days. 22.5 days would be for a 4 day worker, you don't work 4 days per week, you work 3.5 days per week over an averaged shift cycle. The law changed in relation to annual leave in October 2007. The statutory minimum used to be 20 days, but some unscrupulous employers were including bank holidays in that, so once the 8 bank holidays had been accounted for the employee was only left with 12 other days annual leave. Changing the statutory minimum to 28 meant that a full time worker was guaranteed the 8 bank holidays in addition to 20 days annual leave. However it meant that employees on shift patterns resulting in less than 5 days per week could theoretically end up getting the bank holidays pro-rated as well. What maybe should have happened in that the law was changed to say that the statutory minimum is 4 weeks, plus 8 bank holidays. That way a full time 5 day worker would still get a stat min of 28 days, and someone on your shift pattern would get a stat min of 22 days (3.5*4 weeks, plus 8 BH). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Pro-rata system is fine. Specifically separating bank holidays means you can have 2 people working the same hours in the same job but different holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinness Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Is there a site where you can calculate how many holidays your entitled to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Is there a site where you can calculate how many holidays your entitled to? I'm not sure if there's a calculator but there is a gov website that explains it in detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Absolute statutory minimum based on what you have said is 19.6 days, or 235.2 hours, to include bank holidays. 28 days is the statutory minimum for a 5 day worker. Over one cycle of your shift pattern you work an average of 3.5 days per week. Therefore 28*3.5/5 = 19.6 days. 22.5 days would be for a 4 day worker, you don't work 4 days per week, you work 3.5 days per week over an averaged shift cycle. The law changed in relation to annual leave in October 2007. The statutory minimum used to be 20 days, but some unscrupulous employers were including bank holidays in that, so once the 8 bank holidays had been accounted for the employee was only left with 12 other days annual leave. Changing the statutory minimum to 28 meant that a full time worker was guaranteed the 8 bank holidays in addition to 20 days annual leave. However it meant that employees on shift patterns resulting in less than 5 days per week could theoretically end up getting the bank holidays pro-rated as well. What maybe should have happened in that the law was changed to say that the statutory minimum is 4 weeks, plus 8 bank holidays. That way a full time 5 day worker would still get a stat min of 28 days, and someone on your shift pattern would get a stat min of 22 days (3.5*4 weeks, plus 8 BH). 19.6 shifts rather than days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns Show Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 23 + 8 public holidays (4 fixed 4 flexi) Also if we work 7.5 hours extra a month (which office based staff tend to do anyway) we get a flexi day off the next again month. So pretty much adds another 12 days holiday. It's not all bad. Offshore with the same company I would be entitled to 40 days holiday a year, although if I was on rotation I would be expected to take them during my time onshore unless I arranged something with my back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I get 33 days, and also the building is closed over Christmas and Easter and these don't count as part of my annual leave. So basically I get 44 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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