Confidemus Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 A lot of sense being spoken on this thread. And then there's jmothecat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm not sure what policies the parties will have after independence, so I can't say. If the other parties don't change then I'll vote SNP after a yes vote or a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I hate party politics. When I vote I vote for an individual to represent me. Candidates often fight a campaign based on promises to their electorate only to be forced to change their views by party policy. I firmly believe that every MP, MSP, MEP, councillor and anyone else who makes me a promise to gain my valuable vote should be given a free vote on all matters and should not be bullied into voting the way their party leader wants. It flies in the face of democracy IMHO. Independent candidates for me from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In an independent Scotland, I'll vote for Social-Democrats. I'll keep voting SNP if a No in both Holyrood and General Elections, they aren't going away so hopefully see another referendum in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I hate party politics. When I vote I vote for an individual to represent me. Candidates often fight a campaign based on promises to their electorate only to be forced to change their views by party policy. I firmly believe that every MP, MSP, MEP, councillor and anyone else who makes me a promise to gain my valuable vote should be given a free vote on all matters and should not be bullied into voting the way their party leader wants. It flies in the face of democracy IMHO. Independent candidates for me from now on. I agree with a lot of this, I'm not sure how you could form governements with a large amount of independent candidates but I like the idea of it. The party system does put the party before the people they're supposed to represent. I went Labour for Westminster, if for no other reason than to try and stop the Tories. 'Won't vote' for the second question even though in reality I probably would (I've always thought you should vote if you can. I've missed some with being working away though). I don't know what they would be 'offering' yet but I'm totally uninspired by all of them at the moment. For the final question I went 'Other' but similarly to question 2, I'm not feeling the love for any of them and would hope that after the revolution there would be new parties (or rehashing of the old ones) with different agenda's. My cynicism suggests not however but at the moment it's unlikely anyway. It speaks volumes though that I don't really feel an affinity with any party and in the case of Westminster would opt for the least worst party and I'm even less enthused with the Parlie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Labour, Labour and Labour. Unless the latter Labour turn into the type of Labour Confidemus imagines in which case I'd probably vote Liberal. Would do so reluctantly as I'm not a liberal person but I'm not a socialist either and would probably vote for what I consider to be the more reasonable philosophy of the two. Ideally I would hope post-indy Labour would remain firmly a social democratic party though, with King Sarwar as leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 SNP if it's a Yes, probably both at Westminster and Holyrood. If it's a No I'd probably vote for the SNP at Holyrood and the Tories in full elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Have to admit I missed that the first time round. "remain" a social democratic party? f**k me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I really can't see the SNP continuing in its current form for long post independence. It is far too much of a rainbow coalition to survive after the achievement of its prime goal. I would imagine the rump SNP will form a middle ground style party along with some labour/ lib dem types. There will be a strong push for a left of centre party to be formed by folk on that wing of the SNP, joined by former labour party members and from groups like the Reid foundation and RIC. However we could also see the emergence of a genuine Scottish centre right party made up of some of the SNP and current Tories. Could be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I would vote SNP in the first election after independence, if only for a bit of stability. In the longer term, it would depend on how all the existing parties evolved and what new ones emerged, but I would be looking for pro-business party with a social conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 SNP, SNP, SNP for me. After a No I would really have to muster up my enthusiasm for a Westminster election. I couldn't vote for any of the 3 major parties otr the UKIP protest vote. It really doesn't leave much. Being from Kirkcaldy too means we will return Labour anyway. After the political engagement and excitement of this Indy Ref, having to vote in a Westminster election again would be a chore I am not looking forward to. Scottish elections after a No would definitely be SNP. They will keep the pressure up on all the promises offered by Westminster and seek as many powers as possible under devolution. They have also done a very competent job in the Scottish parliament and definitley fight our corner well rather than being Westminsters lap dog. Following a Yes vote (seriously get goose bumps thinking about this) I think the first election I would vote SNP. They are the most prepared to carry out the negotiations and transition us into a new country. Beyond that who knows. It will be great seeing the political landscape change and elections actually making a difference to the direction of the country. I'd love to see a bigger green representation but the possibilities are quite endless, having the responsibility of forming that landscape will be an honour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In the event of a yes vote: I'd vote for the party who's policies I agree with most for an independent Scotland, I fully believe we would see a party rise with its manifesto being geared towards the reinstatement of the union In the event of a No vote: SNP, I cannot and will not trust labour, conservative, lib dems or UKIP especially with the constant down talking of us, it's borderline discriminatory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ict Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In the event of a no vote, I think i'd be too disengaged with Westminster politics to even bother to go out and vote. In regards to the Holyrood elections, more than likely SNP. They've done an exceedingly competent job of running the county since they've risen to power. I'd have no reason to vote them out. They're also the only credible centre-left party in Scotland today (Greens unfortunately too small to qualify). There's also the possibility they could deliver another referendum in the future.In the event of a yes vote, i'd vote for the Greens. I'd like to think they could become a mainstream party in the event of a yes vote. There's a large percentage of left-leaning voters who feel disengaged with mainstream politics, hopefully they'd be inspired to get back out and vote. That share of the vote combined with former SNP voters only voted to gain independence could see the Greens becoming a real force in Scottish Politics. A progressive, forward thinking, left wing party with full control over Scottish affairs: one can only dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 We get two votes in holyrood so the poll is a bit flawed. Snp will continue to get all my votes but post yes they will get my fptp vote and greens my list vote until I'm convinced that green fptp is a viable alternative and they actually stand fptp candidates. Post yes I'll also quit snp and join the greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 SNP, SNP, other for me. Have always voted SNP, will see what's on offer before making a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 John Smith's tragic early death 20 years ago leads to one of those what-ifs? If he had lived a lot longer then would we have seen the rise of New Labour and Blair to the extent they did? Although seen as a right-winger by some he was widely respected by all parts of the labour movement as a man of principle who believed in listening to people from all sides. Labour certainly would not have supported the creation of a Scottish Parliament without his forceful backing - if Dewar was seen as the father of the Parliament then Smith was its godfather. Sadly missed. Totally agree. I reckoned Smith was pretty right wing, something that was reinforced when I asked him about his views on Clause 4. However the Labour Party would have been a far different (and better) animal had he not died when he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 I watched FMQs today, Labour really are awful. all they seem to care about is getting cheap shots aimed at Salmond. they can't even say independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 If No I`ll still be voting SNP. Swinney and Pete Wishart have both done decent jobs as my respective MSP and MP`s. If Yes, I`ll be voting down a more socialist line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes vote: Greens or (ideally) a new Social Democrat party, formed out of the more centre-left characters of the SNP and others. No vote in Holyrood: SNP. Only major party in Scotland not desperate to run the place down. Absolute no brainer. Greens get second vote. No vote in GE: f**k knows. If some poor chump from a small left-wing party is touch and go to get their deposit back, I'd probably help them out. Or not vote. Edit: I'm in the Labour never getting my vote camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 It's interesting how many people would vote Greens post Yes vote, but wouldn't consider it a worthwhile vote if we're still part of the UK political system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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