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Salmond vs Darling: Round 2 (25th Aug)


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I respect that view but it's probably where we differ. I think we can progress just as well as part of the UK.

Which Westminster party do you see progressing us in this fashion? Genuine question.

Confi said it was.

Sigh. As many of my fellow intelligent Yes voters have alluded to, as leader of the SNP and therefore leader of the SG, Alex Salmond will lead a cross-party negotiation team.

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Biggest mistake from AD last night in my view was allowing the first

Minister to promulgate the story about No eventually conceding that they can't stop yes using the pound. This has never been in doubt but it is being spun today as if it is a new revalation and don't worry about the currency cause even the no camp are now telling us it's fine.

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Which Westminster party do you see progressing us in this fashion? Genuine question.

Sigh. As many of my fellow intelligent Yes voters have alluded to, as leader of the SNP and therefore leader of the SG, Alex Salmond will lead a cross-party negotiation team.

Well they would all lay claim to be doing their bit for social justice and each government will have stats to back that up. The current coalition will tell you all the good they have done for the country (cutting income tax for 25 million as an example). Problem is these things are always lost when compared with the negatives such as the ill thought out bedroom tax. This is only the current government though and as you are aware there is a general election just round the corner. Remember a yes is for independence but that doesn't mean you won't have a labour government or coalition in Scotland who may adopt similar policies to rUk

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A better analogy is that a kid runs up part of a electric bill in their parents house and then decides to move out.

But will only pay their share if they can keep coming round to use the washing machine and tumble dryer.

Except in this case the kid has been supplying the electricity that keeps several rooms in his parents' house running for several decades, and has also been getting charged a lot of money for the privillege of supplying free electricity to his parents' house.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7621583.stm

After the kid moves out, his parents refuse to let him use the washing machine and tumble drier (currency union), but want him to continue supplying the electricity like he always has (energy union).

Shite analogies breed more shite analogies.

As for the UK economy being very big, and this being good for the people who live here... in 2011 the Brazillian economy overtook the UK's in size, they were ranked 6th in the world while the UK was 7th, but that doesn't help you any if you happen to live in a Rio favela (or a Glaswegian favela either).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17272716

What matters is GDP per capita adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity. That's what translates directly to wealth in the pockets of the citizens - and by that measure Scotland (and it's people) would be better off independent.

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Well they would all lay claim to be doing their bit for social justice and each government will have stats to back that up. The current coalition will tell you all the good they have done for the country (cutting income tax for 25 million as an example). Problem is these things are always lost when compared with the negatives such as the ill thought out bedroom tax. This is only the current government though and as you are aware there is a general election just round the corner. Remember a yes is for independence but that doesn't mean you won't have a labour government or coalition in Scotland who may adopt similar policies to rUk

Ok let's run through the options then shall we.

Conservatives - Have laid out their stall for continued austerity and have no specific policies to address the points I raised.

Labour - They plan to continue Tory austerity and similarly, have no desire to address foodbanks or poverty.

Er, that's it...

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Well they would all lay claim to be doing their bit for social justice and each government will have stats to back that up. The current coalition will tell you all the good they have done for the country (cutting income tax for 25 million as an example). Problem is these things are always lost when compared with the negatives such as the ill thought out bedroom tax. This is only the current government though and as you are aware there is a general election just round the corner. Remember a yes is for independence but that doesn't mean you won't have a labour government or coalition in Scotland who may adopt similar policies to rUk

Absolutely. But the people of Scotland would at least be in a position to vote them out.

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Biggest mistake from AD last night in my view was allowing the first

Minister to promulgate the story about No eventually conceding that they can't stop yes using the pound. This has never been in doubt but it is being spun today as if it is a new revalation and don't worry about the currency cause even the no camp are now telling us it's fine.

You'll be aware that the press, TV, BBC, UK Government - and Better Together too - all worked quite hard to give the impression that "no currency union" actually meant "no pound at all." Osborne in particular tried to fool people in Scotland into thinking that the money in their pockets would somehow cease to exist after independence, and the country would be left with no currency at all.

This is just a welcome corrective to the deliberately misleading impression that the No camp have been working very hard over the last few months/years to disseminate.

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Ok let's run through the options then shall we.

Conservatives - Have laid out their stall for continued austerity and have no specific policies to address the points I raised.

Labour - They plan to continue Tory austerity and similarly, have no desire to address foodbanks or poverty.

Er, that's it...

But there's every chance of a labour government in an independent Scotland

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But there's every chance of a labour government in an independent Scotland

Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland.

See where I'm going with this?

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Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland.

See where I'm going with this?

Absolutely but you may get a revitalised Labour in the UK at the next general election?

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Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland.

See where I'm going with this?

you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections :lol:

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you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections :lol:

Aye well, if that's what you believe their intent would be, it just speaks volumes about Scottish Labor and who they represent.

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Biggest mistake from AD last night in my view was allowing the first

Minister to promulgate the story about No eventually conceding that they can't stop yes using the pound. This has never been in doubt but it is being spun today as if it is a new revalation and don't worry about the currency cause even the no camp are now telling us it's fine.

Yet both BT and the Labour NO campaign has stated this more than once,

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you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections :lol:

They'd be out the door in no time. Just like English Labour don't want to upset their middle England electorate, any Scottish party will have to pander to the Scottish electorate. That's the beauty of independence. Edited by AUFC90
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They'd be out the door in no time. Just like English Labour don't want to upset their middle England electorate, any Scottish will have to pander to the Scottish electorate. That's the beauty of independence.

:lol:

naw mate just like current politics they will pander to the elcotorate in the months previewing a general election and then do as they fucking please for the next 4-5 years untill the next one. its called politics.

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NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing.

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you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections :lol:

While plenty of central Scotland might still vote for a live WW2 bomb buried in the back garden if it had a red rosette on it, it is plainly the case that in an independent Scotland the Labour Party would have to campaign on different issues. It's not exactly going to be campaigning for a petition to re-join the Union. In a worst-case scenario they'd adopt a bunch of neoliberal policies like down south, but in all likelihood this would result in them losing votes - "we'll bring back nuclear weapons and pay for it be reintroducing the bedroom tax" is not going to go down very well.

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NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing.

NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing.

You yourself are part of the confusion - the 'its our pound and we'll use it if we want' slogan suggests we would use the pound as a result of some kind of historical 'ownership' when really we would use it as it is an internationally tradable currency; we would use it as any country on the planet could use it.

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