orlandoblue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Ok let's run through the options then shall we. Conservatives - Have laid out their stall for continued austerity and have no specific policies to address the points I raised. Labour - They plan to continue Tory austerity and similarly, have no desire to address foodbanks or poverty. Er, that's it... But there's every chance of a labour government in an independent Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 But there's every chance of a labour government in an independent Scotland Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland. See where I'm going with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 But there's every chance of a labour government in an independent Scotland Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlandoblue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland. See where I'm going with this? Absolutely but you may get a revitalised Labour in the UK at the next general election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Absolutely. A revitalised Labour that would not be answerable to their London paymasters and one that could be shaped to best suit the needs of Scotland. See where I'm going with this? you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections Aye well, if that's what you believe their intent would be, it just speaks volumes about Scottish Labor and who they represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Biggest mistake from AD last night in my view was allowing the first Minister to promulgate the story about No eventually conceding that they can't stop yes using the pound. This has never been in doubt but it is being spun today as if it is a new revalation and don't worry about the currency cause even the no camp are now telling us it's fine. Yet both BT and the Labour NO campaign has stated this more than once, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections They'd be out the door in no time. Just like English Labour don't want to upset their middle England electorate, any Scottish party will have to pander to the Scottish electorate. That's the beauty of independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 They'd be out the door in no time. Just like English Labour don't want to upset their middle England electorate, any Scottish will have to pander to the Scottish electorate. That's the beauty of independence. naw mate just like current politics they will pander to the elcotorate in the months previewing a general election and then do as they fucking please for the next 4-5 years untill the next one. its called politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections ^^^^^best quote of the day. Labour will put Labour first. Union or no union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 you honestly believe an independent scottish labour is not going to jump in bed with ruk labour particularly if both win thier respective general elections While plenty of central Scotland might still vote for a live WW2 bomb buried in the back garden if it had a red rosette on it, it is plainly the case that in an independent Scotland the Labour Party would have to campaign on different issues. It's not exactly going to be campaigning for a petition to re-join the Union. In a worst-case scenario they'd adopt a bunch of neoliberal policies like down south, but in all likelihood this would result in them losing votes - "we'll bring back nuclear weapons and pay for it be reintroducing the bedroom tax" is not going to go down very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing. NO put all their eggs in the currency basket, that would have been fine if they didn't tie it all up in the absurd notion that we wouldn't be allowed to use the pound, pleasing. You yourself are part of the confusion - the 'its our pound and we'll use it if we want' slogan suggests we would use the pound as a result of some kind of historical 'ownership' when really we would use it as it is an internationally tradable currency; we would use it as any country on the planet could use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 While plenty of central Scotland might still vote for a live WW2 bomb buried in the back garden if it had a red rosette on it, it is plainly the case that in an independent Scotland the Labour Party would have to campaign on different issues. It's not exactly going to be campaigning for a petition to re-join the Union. In a worst-case scenario they'd adopt a bunch of neoliberal policies like down south, but in all likelihood this would result in them losing votes - "we'll bring back nuclear weapons and pay for it be reintroducing the bedroom tax" is not going to go down very well. sorry but youh ave not explained why a pre and post independedt central scotlands lazy voting attitude would actually change. trust me in the murky world of politics if both labours are in control then London based will still be calling the shots and edinburgh based labour will be sitting and doing as their master tells them, as yer man blaven stated union or no union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You yourself are part of the confusion - the 'its our pound and we'll use it if we want' slogan suggests we would use the pound as a result of some kind of historical 'ownership' when really we would use it as it is an internationally tradable currency; we would use it as any country on the planet could use it. Fancy answering the question I asked you earlier on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 naw mate just like current politics they will pander to the elcotorate in the months previewing a general election and then do as they fucking please for the next 4-5 years untill the next one. its called politics. At least they'll be pandering to us for the first time in 300 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 sorry but youh ave not explained why a pre and post independedt central scotlands lazy voting attitude would actually change. trust me in the murky world of politics if both labours are in control then London based will still be calling the shots and edinburgh based labour will be sitting and doing as their master tells them, as yer man blaven stated union or no union. Their masters will be the Scottish electorate.... Unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You yourself are part of the confusion - the 'its our pound and we'll use it if we want' slogan suggests we would use the pound as a result of some kind of historical 'ownership' when really we would use it as it is an internationally tradable currency; we would use it as any country on the planet could use it. My line clears it up rather than confuses it, it's not my fault that BT, UKOK, NO THANKS, Scottish Labour and more have chosen to scare people by asserting we couldn't use the pound after independence, these assertions are currently contained in leaflets falling through letterboxes today. Good old Ally boy, we knew he'd prove to be the weak link for NO, he actually done well to keep it together for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Oh, Rangers fans It's not asking too much. Just a crumb of foresight. A modicum of common sense. Remove the blinkers lads. Wake up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Fancy answering the question I asked you earlier on ? [/quote Not exactly a defence of your misleading statement. but as posted much earlier: http://www.scotsman.com/news/how-likely-would-run-on-banks-be-after-yes-vote-1-3511906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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