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I actually don't see how it is right now: what other large venues are open to the public in other spectator sports - leaving aside what those idiot Fife stock car organisers thought was allowed? When the government is restricting people from meeting in even small groups from different households in a public park then it is a complete non-starter to think that spectator sports are going to get the green light. When you can't visit two different households outside then having even a few thousand spectators rock up to Celtic Park every week is just not going to happen and rightly so.
I agree that there will almost certainly be an anti-football bias when it comes to relaxing restrictions again - and there was already evidence of that when it came to test events - but that's not where we are at the moment. Their current lobbying is therefore ridiculous to say the least and I think it will only weaken their case for government sympathy and/or support.
They held trial runs with limited numbers of spectators as a first step to getting people back to the games but the number of cases has risen so it's no surprise they put a halt to the return of fans.

I don't think there's any great concern about people sitting socially distanced for the duration of the match, it's all the peripheral activities like large numbers of people going to the toilet at half time or arriving and leaving.

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Here is a graph from the ONS showing where incidents of Covid were occurring in England last week:

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Sitting socially distanced in an open air stadium for a couple of hours is seen as more dangerous (or less worthy) than visiting restaurants, pubs, etc. These places, as you can see, have seen very few cases since reopening.

We'll ignore the giant blue section of the chart for now, just like the Scottish and Westminster governments.

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3 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

Here is a graph from the ONS showing where incidents of Covid were occurring in England last week:

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Sitting socially distanced in an open air stadium for a couple of hours is seen as more dangerous (or less worthy) than visiting restaurants, pubs, etc. These places, as you can see, have seen very few cases in the last week.

We'll ignore the giant blue section of the chart for now, just like the Scottish and Westminster governments.

Sitting in a stadium is not part of the debate, no one would have an issue with that part of the process.

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2 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

Here is a graph from England showing where incidents of Covid were occurring in England last week:

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Sitting socially distanced in an open air stadium for a couple of hours is seen as more dangerous (or less worthy) than visiting restaurants, pubs, etc. These places, as you can see, have seen very few cases in the last week.

We'll ignore the giant blue section of the chart for now, just like the Scottish and Westminster governments.

It's the latter.

The Govt would close the pubs and restaurants tomorrow if it wasn't for the economic impact.

At premier league level letting 1000 fans in (who have already paid their money) is a waste of time and probably doesn't even do much for the surrounding economy.

I'm not at all clear why Forfar Athletic and clubs at that level couldn't have their fan base in.

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15 minutes ago, ropy said:

Part of the reasons for Doncaster etc speaking out will be to ingratiate them with the fans, look at us we are standing up for the game and speaking out.  However they won’t have done themselves any favours in future discussions with the authorities.

They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so.

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Fans should be let back in at League 2 level and if successful, move up the leagues, Championship games and above would have some limit imposed on them.

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2 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so.

The games are on, the fan trials had started, things were moving in the right direction albeit slower than would have liked, then the virus cases have spiked and things have been brought to a halt.  The chats between the football authorities and the governing authorities must have been going well.

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18 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said:

They held trial runs with limited numbers of spectators as a first step to getting people back to the games but the number of cases has risen so it's no surprise they put a halt to the return of fans.

I don't think there's any great concern about people sitting socially distanced for the duration of the match, it's all the peripheral activities like large numbers of people going to the toilet at half time or arriving and leaving.

Yes but the test events were geared towards egg-chasing first before they got round to checking whether they could let the scum of the earth football fans in as well. That's what we can expect from the hopefully more sustained relaxing of restrictions as well. 

I fail to comprehend how the SPFL can see which the way the wind is currently blowing right in the UK and think that coming out right now and launching a broadside on the SG for being too strict on them is going to get it what it wants. What they should be doing is admitting that the game is a bogey for fans in grounds any time in the near future, postponing the lower leagues accordingly, demonstrating their solidarity with the SG 'in the middle of this unprecedented pandemic blah blah blah' and trying to get on its good side to secure the funds that it will need to bail clubs out from a largely self-inflicted mess. No wonder Mulraney is a Tory loser if this is his comprehension of how Scottish politics works. 

 

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Did I hear that right? The UK government are giving EPL clubs bailout money? 
 That is an utterly ridiculous waste of public funds.

 

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Some of these ‘clubs’ are paying utter jobbers 30k a week.

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11 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so.

The SPFL still has to bend over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities though because the government both calls all the shots and is the only likely source of funds to bail the SPFL out when - as seems probable now - the 20/21 season proves to be a financial disaster. The power relationship between the two bodies is not even remotely equal and so Mike Mulraney letting out his months of seethe at the nippy sweetie running the country is not in the best interests of the clubs he is supposed to be speaking on behalf of. 

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8 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

The Govt would close the pubs and restaurants tomorrow if it wasn't for the economic impact.

At premier league level letting 1000 fans in (who have already paid their money) is a waste of time and probably doesn't even do much for the surrounding economy.

Exactly. Letting a few hundred fans in will cost Premiership clubs – any money they'd receive is already in their coffers through season tickets, plus you have the expense of marshalling the crowd to a greater extent than you would normally. 

Lower league clubs are different - the reason they haven't been allowed I imagine is because plans have changed thanks to the recent soaring infection rate (you can imagine the panic obout headlines a few weeks down the line if a football club was at the centre of a cluster), plus allowing lower league fans in without Celtic and Rangers being allowed their fans in would be a hard sell. In that sense alone it's political.

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The government have a responsibility to act in the interests of public health.

Doncaster and club chairmen have a responsibility to act in the financial interests of clubs.

The SPFL want fan's money, like they always do and they couldn't give a shiny shite if fans die after they've paid up.

It's greed, pure and simple.

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39 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:

The irony of it. The SPFL and SFA are two of the most political organisations around. Everything they do is political. Their spin and and avoidance of taking responsibility for anything puts most politicians to shame.

I like this quote from Mulraney:

""We're not the English Premier League, which receives billions in TV cash," he told Sportsound. "That's why a decision to demote clubs unnecessarily after 3/4 of the season in the middle of a global pandemic into leagues that might not run puts clubs in real peril."

Oh sorry he actually said this of course

""We're not the English Premier League, which receives billions in TV cash," he told Sportsound. "That's why a decision to stop fans attending in Scotland puts clubs in real peril."

Who got demoted? 

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I've  always been of the view. That the Scottish government are maybe giving football a grip up after the way football told them to ram strict liability the arrogance, ignorance and total lack of integrity over that I hope has come back to bite thier arse

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So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me.

Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day.

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1 minute ago, Merkland Red said:

So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me.

Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day.

Don’t know where you get hundreds of thousands of votes from ……… all our blue nosed friends are for the union 

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3 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me.

Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day.

With an election next year as well.

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If its political it implys a benefit for the current Government and particular Party.

Can someone explain to me how the economic destruction of a major sport along with the wider destruction of other firms and jobs is, somehow, a positive 'political decision' for them? As if they are all high fiving when word comes in of another company going to the wall? 

 

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23 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me.

Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day.

There are numbers in between 60,000 and 0 which could be considered. If they don't want thousands of people congregating then they could make it hundreds, or tens.

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Aye it's pretty mental that it's not being considered. You can easily have people go watch games and have social distancing ffs. 

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