The Master Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 48 minutes ago, virginton said: I'm really not sure how middle of the fourth tier Stenhousemuir v Kilmarnock is perfect for anything other than a comfortable away win. They’re playing Kilmarnock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Guys in the Celtic-Falkirk game giving it "Falkirk are such a big club they deserve to be higher up the divisions". Fucking infuriating. Falkirk, and Thistle for that matter, are exactly where they deserve to be based on being consistently shite at the sport they play. Fanbase, stadium size, history, etc. have nothing to do with it 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Lots of 'Tic Tok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said: Guys in the Celtic-Falkirk game giving it "Falkirk are such a big club they deserve to be higher up the divisions". Fucking infuriating. Falkirk, and Thistle for that matter, are exactly where they deserve to be based on being consistently shite at the sport they play. Fanbase, stadium size, history, etc. have nothing to do with it There is a genuine argument to made about clubs that should be at a higher level because of the resources at their disposal. But the way it's discussed in this country it always boils down to pundits believing certain clubs have a God-given right to be in a higher league. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 11 hours ago, virginton said: I'm really not sure how middle of the fourth tier Stenhousemuir v Kilmarnock is perfect for anything other than a comfortable away win. 10 hours ago, The Master said: They’re playing Kilmarnock. Looks like they missed out on a classic with that 0-4 procession. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Jacky1990 said: Guys in the Celtic-Falkirk game giving it "Falkirk are such a big club they deserve to be higher up the divisions". Fucking infuriating. Falkirk, and Thistle for that matter, are exactly where they deserve to be based on being consistently shite at the sport they play. Fanbase, stadium size, history, etc. have nothing to do with it The complexities of the league system seem to go over the head of the majority of pundits in this country. Unless a club suffers administration or a points deduction, it’s impossible for a team to end up playing League 1 football, unless they happen to finish in the bottom 2 of the Championship. For all their faults, the English media seem to embrace smaller teams like Bournemouth punching above their weight in the Premier League. I’ve never heard one of their pundits saying things like ‘Nottingham Forest are a Premier League team’ or ‘Sunderland deserve to be in the top league because they get big crowds’. Guys like Willie Miller won’t be happy until our top league is made up only of teams that he deems to be deserving, whatever that means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 On Sportscene last night Callum the Fermer from Perth referred to Dundee as “a Permier League Team, with the players they have”. Aye Callum looks like it eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Eilidh Barbour on OAM yesterday was, unsurprisingly, on a completely different level from Biscuits and friends. Imagine telling you what was actually happening in the game, it will never catch on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, IrishBhoy said: For all their faults, the English media seem to embrace smaller teams like Bournemouth punching above their weight in the Premier League. I’ve never heard one of their pundits saying things like ‘Nottingham Forest are a Premier League team’ or ‘Sunderland deserve to be in the top league because they get big crowds’. Guys like Willie Miller won’t be happy until our top league is made up only of teams that he deems to be deserving, whatever that means. Clearly not listening hard enough, they cant mention Sunderland without saying they should be higher up and the 15 years they spent wanking over hoping Leeds got back into the top flight when the club (and team) was an embarrassment was nonsensical. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: Eilidh Barbour on OAM yesterday was, unsurprisingly, on a completely different level from Biscuits and friends. Imagine telling you what was actually happening in the game, it will never catch on. Agree, she was excellent - in fact, she sounded like a professional broadcaster who was focused on describing what was happening. An island of competence in a sea of drivel. When Thistle inevitably conceded Yinited's late winner yesterday, Willie could barely contain his joy at "getting to go home". One of the most annoying tics on OOM is the moan-banter between the (generally older) "reporters" about wanting to get home for their tea. Yeah, you've got a really tough gig watching the football for a living, lads. Dismal stuff. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Aye you can tell it’s Barbour’s actual job can’t you. The ex-pros can barely tell you their own name most of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Agree, she was excellent - in fact, she sounded like a professional broadcaster who was focused on describing what was happening. An island of competence in a sea of drivel. When Thistle inevitably conceded Yinited's late winner yesterday, Willie could barely contain his joy at "getting to go home". One of the most annoying tics on OOM is the moan-banter between the (generally older) "reporters" about wanting to get home for their tea. Yeah, you've got a really tough gig watching the football for a living, lads. Dismal stuff.Willie Miller is our version of Mark Lawrenson. He despises having to work at these games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, VictorOnopko said: Agree, she was excellent - in fact, she sounded like a professional broadcaster who was focused on describing what was happening. An island of competence in a sea of drivel. When Thistle inevitably conceded Yinited's late winner yesterday, Willie could barely contain his joy at "getting to go home". One of the most annoying tics on OOM is the moan-banter between the (generally older) "reporters" about wanting to get home for their tea. Yeah, you've got a really tough gig watching the football for a living, lads. Dismal stuff. Exactly, if they don't want to be there then stop wasting the licence payers money. One of Scottish punditry's many tedious euphemisms is to praise, what they define as, 'professionalism'. Therefore, when a team wins 1-0 away against a side that is considered beneath them, then it was a "professional job" no matter how shit and disinterested they played. However, this 'professionalism' doesn't appear to extend to their radio performance where they can moan that they're cold and want to go home. They also don't appear to do any research beforehand. It's just a case of opening their mouths and reiterating tired old clichés each week that bear little relation to reality. I don't particularly care if you've won 65 Scottish caps, played for the Gruesome Twosome or your name is Biscuits, if you can't give us intelligent and insightful analysis then why are you on the radio discussing Scottish football? BBC Scotland just doesn't have a high regard for the football listener. That's why we get the Gruesome Twosome balance and suffer idiots like Billy Dodds (oh I better say Pat Bonner for balance) each season. Richard Gordon and his producers would do well to read this thread... Edited April 4, 2021 by Bogbrush1903 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 They probably do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheScarf said: They probably do. Well it's not reflected in the output which has remained the same for 20 years... Revamp the show then producers and make it a proper football show and not just retirement home for ex 'pros' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Well it's not reflected in the output which has remained the same for 20 years... Revamp the show then producers and make it a proper football show and not just retirement home for ex 'pros' I agree with your sentiment. I'm just not sure where they turn. The modern media landscape of working for free and rakes of 'freelancers' means that the standard in football journalism is probably as low as it's ever been. I don't see much evidence of a cohort of high-quality replacements chomping at the bit to come in and do that job well. Further evidence of this can be seen by looking at the kinds of dross BBC Scotland publishes on its website about football. Dross is being kind to some of the names who frequently pop up on there with risible nonsense or clickbait shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Honestly I will go on a killing spree if people keep badmouthing Willie Miller 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Arab Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: Aye you can tell it’s Barbour’s actual job can’t you. The ex-pros can barely tell you their own name most of the time. This is the crux of the whole issue. Traditionally, you’d have a commentator (who was a professional broadcaster) to describe the basics of the game ie what was actually happening at a given time who would then cut to an analyst (generally an ex-pro) when something needed a bit more detail, insight or explanation (Why has the player done that? What is the manager trying to achieve with the change in tactics?). These distinct roles have often become confused over time, or sometimes disappeared completely, hence why you have confused ex pros on Sportsound at grounds on their own who lack the mental and verbal skills to quickly, succinctly and accurately describe fast moving situations to give the listeners everything they need to know in short 30 second bursts. Hence “Oooohhhh, there’s been a goal at Tannadice, a wonderful goal, it all started with a cross from the no.7 on the left hand side, and it fizzed across the goal everybody just seemed to miss it, and then out of nowhere the other winger just popped up to loop a terrific header back over everyone and into the far corner of the net” before Richard Gordon has to say “And it was a goal for the visitors” or something like that to give the listeners actually the single most important piece of information that everybody listening wants to hear. Similarly, I also find it quite irritating when I’m listening to podcasts and journalists or features writers talk (always with the benefit of hindsight of course) about a managers tactics or a mistake that a player has made in a really patronising “what was he thinking?” way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Frank Grimes said: Honestly I will go on a killing spree if people keep badmouthing Willie Miller Great player, legend on the field in his day, obviously. Sadly he's long been a shite, lazy pundit who tells the nation almost every week on OAM that he is cold/bored/wants to go home/is glad the game is finished. His tone of voice is so depressing that it casts a pall over whatever game he is at. I don't actually mind him on Scotland match nights, in the build up etc., in a kind of "view from the rocking chair" way, from a man who has achieved great things and rocked up at World Cup Finals in the very distant past, and is now raising an elderly eyebrow at our leaky defence. But, week to week in the league? Nope. Let your spree commence. Edited April 4, 2021 by VictorOnopko 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Willie Miller has openly said, almost boastfully, that he doesn't do research on teams. It wouldn't be hard to demand and enforce some standards. Get everyone some training on how to properly report. Replace those who aren't up to it via an interview process where ability is tested, rather than just inviting yet another former Rangers/Celtic/Sevco player. We've clearly seen that having the played the game does not bestow upon someone good insight. Of course absolutely none of this will happen. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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