craigkillie Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, ropy said: Part of the reasons for Doncaster etc speaking out will be to ingratiate them with the fans, look at us we are standing up for the game and speaking out. However they won’t have done themselves any favours in future discussions with the authorities. They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Fans should be let back in at League 2 level and if successful, move up the leagues, Championship games and above would have some limit imposed on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so. The games are on, the fan trials had started, things were moving in the right direction albeit slower than would have liked, then the virus cases have spiked and things have been brought to a halt. The chats between the football authorities and the governing authorities must have been going well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: They held trial runs with limited numbers of spectators as a first step to getting people back to the games but the number of cases has risen so it's no surprise they put a halt to the return of fans. I don't think there's any great concern about people sitting socially distanced for the duration of the match, it's all the peripheral activities like large numbers of people going to the toilet at half time or arriving and leaving. Yes but the test events were geared towards egg-chasing first before they got round to checking whether they could let the scum of the earth football fans in as well. That's what we can expect from the hopefully more sustained relaxing of restrictions as well. I fail to comprehend how the SPFL can see which the way the wind is currently blowing right in the UK and think that coming out right now and launching a broadside on the SG for being too strict on them is going to get it what it wants. What they should be doing is admitting that the game is a bogey for fans in grounds any time in the near future, postponing the lower leagues accordingly, demonstrating their solidarity with the SG 'in the middle of this unprecedented pandemic blah blah blah' and trying to get on its good side to secure the funds that it will need to bail clubs out from a largely self-inflicted mess. No wonder Mulraney is a Tory loser if this is his comprehension of how Scottish politics works. Edited October 3, 2020 by vikingTON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Did I hear that right? The UK government are giving EPL clubs bailout money? That is an utterly ridiculous waste of public funds. Some of these ‘clubs’ are paying utter jobbers 30k a week. Edited October 3, 2020 by Alert Mongoose 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, craigkillie said: They have spent the last three months bending over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities and have achieved very little by doing so. The SPFL still has to bend over backwards to ingratiate themselves with the authorities though because the government both calls all the shots and is the only likely source of funds to bail the SPFL out when - as seems probable now - the 20/21 season proves to be a financial disaster. The power relationship between the two bodies is not even remotely equal and so Mike Mulraney letting out his months of seethe at the nippy sweetie running the country is not in the best interests of the clubs he is supposed to be speaking on behalf of. Edited October 3, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: The Govt would close the pubs and restaurants tomorrow if it wasn't for the economic impact. At premier league level letting 1000 fans in (who have already paid their money) is a waste of time and probably doesn't even do much for the surrounding economy. Exactly. Letting a few hundred fans in will cost Premiership clubs – any money they'd receive is already in their coffers through season tickets, plus you have the expense of marshalling the crowd to a greater extent than you would normally. Lower league clubs are different - the reason they haven't been allowed I imagine is because plans have changed thanks to the recent soaring infection rate (you can imagine the panic obout headlines a few weeks down the line if a football club was at the centre of a cluster), plus allowing lower league fans in without Celtic and Rangers being allowed their fans in would be a hard sell. In that sense alone it's political. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 The government have a responsibility to act in the interests of public health. Doncaster and club chairmen have a responsibility to act in the financial interests of clubs. The SPFL want fan's money, like they always do and they couldn't give a shiny shite if fans die after they've paid up. It's greed, pure and simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said: The irony of it. The SPFL and SFA are two of the most political organisations around. Everything they do is political. Their spin and and avoidance of taking responsibility for anything puts most politicians to shame. I like this quote from Mulraney: ""We're not the English Premier League, which receives billions in TV cash," he told Sportsound. "That's why a decision to demote clubs unnecessarily after 3/4 of the season in the middle of a global pandemic into leagues that might not run puts clubs in real peril." Oh sorry he actually said this of course ""We're not the English Premier League, which receives billions in TV cash," he told Sportsound. "That's why a decision to stop fans attending in Scotland puts clubs in real peril." Who got demoted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I've always been of the view. That the Scottish government are maybe giving football a grip up after the way football told them to ram strict liability the arrogance, ignorance and total lack of integrity over that I hope has come back to bite thier arse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me. Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Merkland Red said: So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me. Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day. Don’t know where you get hundreds of thousands of votes from ……… all our blue nosed friends are for the union 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me. Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day. With an election next year as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 If its political it implys a benefit for the current Government and particular Party. Can someone explain to me how the economic destruction of a major sport along with the wider destruction of other firms and jobs is, somehow, a positive 'political decision' for them? As if they are all high fiving when word comes in of another company going to the wall? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: So the SNP are trying to alienate hundreds of thousands of potential voters to prove a point? Doesn't make sense to me. Seems like they don't want thousands of people congregating in the same area for a small portion of the day. There are numbers in between 60,000 and 0 which could be considered. If they don't want thousands of people congregating then they could make it hundreds, or tens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Aye it's pretty mental that it's not being considered. You can easily have people go watch games and have social distancing ffs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Over 60% of non-league clubs had an average attendance last season of 100 or less - make that the starting point. You can also tie it to the rate of cases per 100k for the past 7 days in each area like Germany have done - if it's over 35 then there's no fans. Going by today's figures, that would allow home fans in Aberdeenshire, Angus, Clackmannanshire, Highland, Moray, Orkney, Perth & Kinross, Shetland, and the Borders. Edited October 3, 2020 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: The government have a responsibility to act in the interests of public health. Doncaster and club chairmen have a responsibility to act in the financial interests of clubs. The SPFL want fan's money, like they always do and they couldn't give a shiny shite if fans die after they've paid up. It's greed, pure and simple. Most Premiership clubs aren't going to make money from fans being back. Most capacities will be under the number of season tickets sold so very few people entering the stadium will be paying to do so. And clubs will be taking on the additional cost of stewarding and facilities upkeep. So saying this is about greed is a complete red herring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Saltire said: too much passion and alcohol involved. Aye. Football grounds where you're not allowed alcohol houses uncontrollable drunks who cause chaos, while pubs that are allowed to open all day, and are so large in number that some can easily breach the 10 o'clock guidelines without punishment, are less likely to cause the virus to spread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 The arrogance of Jason Leitch to say the decision to not open up football ground wasn't political genuinely had me SEETHING. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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