Sportsound Watch

[Ross.]

21 minutes ago, DumbartonBud said:

Given this position it is actually remarkable that they managed to get 80% of the clubs to agree, perhaps they are in fact acting with the overall members interests at heart and it is a just small noisy minority that have managed to stir up some noise via some friendly media people who are only too happy to contrive controversy to give themselves some thing to talk or write about to keep themselves in a job. 

Bingo!

No football to report on so what else can they do but try to generate something that justifies their wage. Bad enough for contriving stories when there are actually games being played as it is, this just allows them far more time and freedom to dream up plot lines to the novels they were never quite good enough to write in the first place.

[The_Kincardine]

44 minutes ago, NorthBank said:

English is citing all the clubs unhappy with the SPFL board. By some strange coincidence the list is all the clubs who were relegated or didn't get the promotion they dreamed of. Around 9 or 10 clubs in total ie around 25% or less. The other clubs are not complaining.

Now any proposal to tie things up was going to upset clubs. Some wanted no reconstruction; some wanted reconstruction for 1 year; some wanted permanent reconstruction; some (all league 2 clubs) would not entertain additional clubs. So it was impossible to get a univeral agreement.

A vote was taken on a proposal. The majority 80% voted for the proposal. The others are pissed off which is what would happen in any vote. Accept it and move on.

Get doon.

That the support for the motion was so high was based on its acceptance being unnecessarily linked to money being paid out.  Also, if the votes had been allowed to stand as originally cast (as it should have been) then the motion would have failed.

The vote was conducted in a shocking manner and should be investigated.

[ropy]

3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

That the support for the motion was so high was based on its acceptance being unnecessarily linked to money being paid out.  Also, if the votes had been allowed to stand as originally cast (as it should have been) then the motion would have failed.

The vote was conducted in a shocking manner and should be investigated.

There is a jar of herring in your post

[bennett]

If Iraq's ever looking for a new information officer then there's a certain spfl CEO who would do great job....

[The_Kincardine]

2 minutes ago, ropy said:

There is a jar of herring in your post

Not sure what that means but 'pickled' is often an accusation when I post

[Ric]

3 minutes ago, bennett said:

If Iraq's ever looking for a new information officer then there's a certain spfl CEO who would do great job....

You have to admire that there is not a hint of irony in that post.

[Cutty Old]

Maybe been asked before but can any Rangers fan explain where they have been so severely disadvantaged that they are going to the extremes that they have ? 

[ropy]

11 minutes ago, bennett said:

If Iraq's ever looking for a new information officer then there's a certain spfl CEO who would do great job....

I thought about that as I considered the government message about going out for a little extra exercise while the news broadcast the pictures of picnics in the park and conga dancing.

[The_Kincardine]

2 minutes ago, Cutty Old said:

Maybe been asked before but can any Rangers fan explain where they have been so severely disadvantaged that they are going to the extremes that they have ? 

We haven't been disadvantaged at all.  If the Premiership was called tomorrow we'd be placed in the same position as we would have been had the season been played to a conclusion.  I have said, many times, that our prime driver here is for all league positions to be frozen and for no winners or losers to be declared - thus no 9IAR.

Now had the vote on Good Friday been conducted fairly then we' have little to do but sulk and greet about Celticy conspiracies and unseen hands manipulating the outcome.  Fortunately, though, the SPFL made a right f**k up and gave us plenty of ammunition to fire back at them.

I know we started this with the worst of self-serving motives.  However, the ammunition we are now firing was made for us by Doncaster, Shifty and McKenzie themselves.

[Spring Onion]

27 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

We haven't been disadvantaged at all.  If the Premiership was called tomorrow we'd be placed in the same position as we would have been had the season been played to a conclusion.  I have said, many times, that our prime driver here is for all league positions to be frozen and for no winners or losers to be declared - thus no 9IAR.

Now had the vote on Good Friday been conducted fairly then we' have little to do but sulk and greet about Celticy conspiracies and unseen hands manipulating the outcome.  Fortunately, though, the SPFL made a right f**k up and gave us plenty of ammunition to fire back at them.

I know we started this with the worst of self-serving motives.  However, the ammunition we are now firing was made for us by Doncaster, Shifty and McKenzie themselves.

So exactly what do you think your team will gain from this? 

If you get your wish and Doncaster and his crew are sacked, then what?  Do you really believe he was the reason your team dropped so many points since winter break. 

It's a smokescreen that's worked a treat as no one is questioning the failing of the team or manager. 

[kingjoey]

27 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I have said, many times, that our prime driver here is for all league positions to be frozen and for no winners or losers to be declared - thus no 9IAR.

This is why Scottish football cannot be compared to any other football association in any part of the world. This “9IAR” thing is the most important thing for two teams, and only two teams in Scotland, and any “for the good of Scottish football” speeches as spouted by Stewart Robertson on Radio Clyde last week, is, has been, and will be forever an utter nonsense. No other team in this country gives a toss about whether Celtic do or do not win “9IAR”. Neil Doncaster in his interview today on Sportsound did bring in examples of what France has done, but our problem is that every decision made in Scottish football involving 42 clubs, has to be done in consideration of how it will be accepted by Celtic and Rangers. In general these two clubs will take diametrically opposite positions in most of the important decisions to be made at any time, and it’s only a matter of time before Celtic come into this present crisis on the other side of the fence to Rangers.

[The_Kincardine]

4 minutes ago, Spring Onion said:

So exactly what do you think your team will gain from this? 

If you get your wish and Doncaster and his crew are sacked, then what?  Do you really believe he was the reason your team dropped so many points since winter break. 

It's a smokescreen that's worked a treat as no one is questioning the failing of the team or manager. 

That's not really the point, though.  We're pursuing this from questionable motives - I've said this enough - but that doesn't mean we're wrong.

MacLennan, McKenzie ad Doncaster have behaved appallingly in this process and need to be called to account.  The only surprise is that only about 7 or 8 clubs are publicly acknowledging this.

Tuesday's vote will be interesting.  I reckon if we get 16 teams backing our call for an inquiry then we'll have achieved a lot.

[The_Kincardine]

6 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

This is why Scottish football cannot be compared to any other football association in any part of the world. This “9IAR” thing is the most important thing for two teams, and only two teams in Scotland, and any “for the good of Scottish football” speeches as spouted by Stewart Robertson on Radio Clyde last week, is, has been, and will be forever an utter nonsense. No other team in this country gives a toss about whether Celtic do or do not win “9IAR”. Neil Doncaster in his interview today on Sportsound did bring in examples of what France has done, but our problem is that every decision made in Scottish football involving 42 clubs, has to be done in consideration of how it will be accepted by Celtic and Rangers. In general these two clubs will take diametrically opposite positions in most of the important decisions to be made at any time, and it’s only a matter of time before Celtic come into this present crisis on the other side of the fence to Rangers.

That is both true and irrelevant.

Had the SPFL Exec organised a fair and above-board vote which resulted in the same outcome then we'd have nothing to quibble about.

However, they botched it and every club should be calling for it to be reviewed.

[The DA]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

That the support for the motion was so high was based on its acceptance being unnecessarily linked to money being paid out.  Also, if the votes had been allowed to stand as originally cast (as it should have been) then the motion would have failed.

The vote was conducted in a shocking manner and should be investigated.

And if the vote had failed on that basis, Dundee would just have had to ask for a second vote on the same basis and it would have gone through at the second time of asking.

[Spring Onion]

19 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

That's not really the point, though.  We're pursuing this from questionable motives - I've said this enough - but that doesn't mean we're wrong.

MacLennan, McKenzie ad Doncaster have behaved appallingly in this process and need to be called to account.  The only surprise is that only about 7 or 8 clubs are publicly acknowledging this.

Tuesday's vote will be interesting.  I reckon if we get 16 teams backing our call for an inquiry then we'll have achieved a lot.

Are you not more worried about the lack of winning mentality in your team, the fact that the can't play even 3 quarters of a season without collapsing spectacularly. That your manager has one system and one system only he can play and no idea on how to change it if it's not working.

Or like the rest of your fellow fans are you happy to airbrush out the real reason your not winning anything again and would rather pick the noble fight against the axis of evil SPFL board. 

 

[The_Kincardine]

14 minutes ago, The DA said:

And if the vote had failed on that basis, Dundee would just have had to ask for a second vote on the same basis and it would have gone through at the second time of asking.

Nah.  That's idle speculation and detracts from the substantive point which is that the SPFL Exec failed spectacularly here and need to be called to account.

2 minutes ago, Spring Onion said:

Are you not more worried about the lack of winning mentality in your team, the fact that the can't play even 3 quarters of a season without collapsing spectacularly. That your manager has one system and one system only he can play and no idea on how to change it if it's not working.

Or like the rest of your fellow fans are you happy to airbrush out the real reason your not winning anything again and would rather pick the noble fight against the axis of evil SPFL board. 

You're not going to bait me here, Springy, however hard you try...

[NorthBank]

That the support for the motion was so high was based on its acceptance being unnecessarily linked to money being paid out.  Also, if the votes had been allowed to stand as originally cast (as it should have been) then the motion would have failed.
The vote was conducted in a shocking manner and should be investigated.

One vote may have made the motion fail however it doesn't change the fact that 80% of clubs agreed with the motion.

[sergie's no1 fan]

Sorry Aberdeen fans but Willie Miller is our Primark version of Mark Lawrenson. He is woeful.

Tom English should have been chased back to Rugby after his opinion on Van Dijk.

[RandomGuy.]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

if the votes had been allowed to stand as originally cast

The rules of the vote specifically say a "refuse" vote can be changed at any point within the 28 day deadline.

Your own club read that, and had zero issue with it, before the vote.

Dundee changed their "refuse" vote to "accept" within the 28 days.

The whole vote wasnt about the "originally cast" vote, it was all about the situation after 28 days.

You can argue about the reasons Dundee changed etc., if you wish, but claiming the initial vote should be upheld is just stupid as that was never the, pre-agreed, rules of the vote from the start.

[The_Kincardine]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

The rules of the vote specifically say a "refuse" vote can be changed at any point within the 28 day deadline.

We went through this earlier in the week on the main Rangers thread and they don't.