1320Lichtie Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 yeah i could still walk in with my pals bank statement. i suppose we could go all iraqi and blow up the polling stations do the purple dye on the thumb. Wouldn't let my mate look at my bank statement. And was just an idea, obviously a stupid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 There is an argument, i dont hold with it, that voting is not inalienable (well we know it is not inalienable) right but forms part of the social contract betweeen citizen and state. Part of that contract is that the citizen should be willing to get some form of ID to allow them to take part in and safeguard the democratic process. However, probably the reason tht nobody bothers their arse is that in this country voter fraud is so miniscule as to be negligible in the final makeup of national elections. with the advent of multi-member wards in local govt it is probably increasingly irrelevant there too. in the days of single wards for council elections it certainly could be a contributory factor in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Surely everyone has some form of identification, even a bank statement or something like they ask for in other places. You'll be surprised at the numbers who have no ID at all - they don't even have a bank account. Excluding Post Office accounts (due to their limited functionality) the proportion of low-income households without an account is 11%. Including them the figure is 5%. I would be wary of introducing some sort of ID bar to voting without first ensuring everyone has access to ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 There is an argument, i dont hold with it, that voting is not inalienable (well we know it is not inalienable) right but forms part of the social contract betweeen citizen and state. Part of that contract is that the citizen should be willing to get some form of ID to allow them to take part in and safeguard the democratic process. However, probably the reason tht nobody bothers their arse is that in this country voter fraud is so miniscule as to be negligible in the final makeup of national elections. with the advent of multi-member wards in local govt it is probably increasingly irrelevant there too. in the days of single wards for council elections it certainly could be a contributory factor in elections. I can name at least one election where there were allegations of significant voter fraud - the constituency was in England and won by a certain Scottish politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 You'll be surprised at the numbers who have no ID at all - they don't even have a bank account. Excluding Post Office accounts (due to their limited functionality) the proportion of low-income households without an account is 11%. Including them the figure is 5%. I would be wary of introducing some sort of ID bar to voting without first ensuring everyone has access to ID. anybody can get an NEC for free from their local authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I can name at least one election where there were allegations of significant voter fraud - the constituency was in England and won by a certain Scottish politician. a certain Lochee politician? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 a certain Lochee politician? Shome mistake, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 My dear maw is shelling out the cash for a 25% higher council tax rate or whatever it is by telling them I'm back home so I can vote, and she isn't even Scottish. Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I can name at least one election where there were allegations of significant voter fraud - the constituency was in England and won by a certain Unionist politician. Fixed it for you - assuming we're talking about the same cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 You boys have no respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 No quite returning home to vote but I am returning home for the vote, Live near London and will be home for the vote although don't really have to as my vote will be proxy but feel I want to be there for such an important vote. My Mother has been told that if she votes anything other than Yes for me she is going in a home and if she votes anything other than Yes herself she is going in a home Friend of mine has bought a house and moved bacxk to Glasgow just to vote Yes now that is dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 No quite returning home to vote but I am returning home for the vote, Live near London and will be home for the vote although don't really have to as my vote will be proxy but feel I want to be there for such an important vote. My Mother has been told that if she votes anything other than Yes for me she is going in a home and if she votes anything other than Yes herself she is going in a home Friend of mine has bought a house and moved bacxk to Glasgow just to vote Yes now that is dedication. Thicker than a Whale Omlette FFS your poor Mam! How do you live near London but retain your vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 No quite returning home to vote but I am returning home for the vote, Live near London and will be home for the vote although don't really have to as my vote will be proxy but feel I want to be there for such an important vote. My Mother has been told that if she votes anything other than Yes for me she is going in a home and if she votes anything other than Yes herself she is going in a home Friend of mine has bought a house and moved bacxk to Glasgow just to vote Yes now that is dedication. Just read it again, even I'm not that pissed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Just read it again, even I'm not that pissed! He means he is coming home for the vote, but not to vote, he can vote without having to come home but he is wanting to come home anyway. You not got some warming up to do for tomorrow's riots, brush up on your GSTQ and Loyalist songs??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Thicker than a Whale Omlette FFS your poor Mam! How do you live near London but retain your vote? HM Forces so vote via proxy I even mentioned this, as for the Mum comments clearly tongue in cheek thought that was pretty obvious but you seem to have gone full retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Just read it again, even I'm not that pissed! You sure about that? 1320 Lichtie understood it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 There is an argument, i dont hold with it, that voting is not inalienable (well we know it is not inalienable) right but forms part of the social contract betweeen citizen and state. Part of that contract is that the citizen should be willing to get some form of ID to allow them to take part in and safeguard the democratic process. However, probably the reason tht nobody bothers their arse is that in this country voter fraud is so miniscule as to be negligible in the final makeup of national elections. with the advent of multi-member wards in local govt it is probably increasingly irrelevant there too. in the days of single wards for council elections it certainly could be a contributory factor in elections. I think there's plenty fraud in local elections in certain parts of the UK. I remember reading a story in Private Eye about an election in Tower Hamlets where a burka clad voter was challenged by staff at hte polling station, 'she' hitched up her skirst to reveal sturdy hairy legs with running shoes on and sprinted out the door! Birmingham is also a bad area for electoral fraud. I think the rise in fraud is linked to the greater use of postal votes. It's far, far easier to fix elections with postal votes than any other way and since 2000 postal voting is allowed on demand. I recall at the time a lot being talked about internet voting or voting in supermarkets, the usual patronising pish that political parties come up with when faced with falling turnouts. It doesn't seem to have helped turnout but has helped some of the worst electoral fraud since before the REform Act, good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I know an instance of fraud in voting. 1979 anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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