GalaKev Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 No. But let me explain. I am not against the idea off full independence, but I find the idea that Yes campaign is all made up of this may happen is a step too far. Don't get me wrong, I know there will always be a certain uncertainty about going it alone. However the Yes campaign has not yet, given me solid assurances that x,y and z will happen. Take Sterling for instance, the UK has said that Scotland will not be involved in sterling if it goes alone (at least in momentary policies). The yes statement on that, the UK government will back down. Yes it may happen, but what happens if they don't. I think the Yes campaign should have said: OK we don't think it will be an issue, but if it does we will do..... The EU, what happens if Scotland don't get in as an existing member. I find this disappointing again with the Yes campaign that there is no plan as it will not happen according to Mr Salmond. But if it does? To join the EU now, you must take the Euro, join the Schengen Agreement, to never have a veto again. How will Scots take to having this pushed onto us? No response from the Yes campaign about plans if it does not go to plan. How would it effect our relationship with our major trading partner, rUK? Nothing changes according to yes, but it will. Tax raising and rates, where is any idea, what tax rates are presumed. For both business and personal? I can't operate my business without a plan for cash, so how can the white paper contain such a small amount of space on it. Not being funny but finance is the biggest part of any country. Defence, albeit this is a personal point of view. I would prefer to stay within the limits of UK as a partner in protection of ours and rUK as a combined force. However I appreciate that it may cost us, to do that. I have seen on here that anyone who questions yes, is taken as unpatriotic or thick. But these are fundamentals, even before we cross the t's and dot the i's. However, if something happens big in the next month, I may change my mind. But in all honesty I can't see it happening. I really think Scotland has missed a big opportunity, by going into this with only a pie in a sky idea. With no backbone to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 No. But let me explain. I am not against the idea off Made it this far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Made it this far. you lucky b*****d. I hung in and read all the words. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Fair enough to the OP, but if he thinks the Yes campaign are looking at a "pie in the sky" idea, how does he view the latest news from Westminster about a thriving economic recovery? The UK Government are doing well for those who are doing well. The rest of us (including public servants, like YT) can go fúck ourselves. Nobody knows what the future holds - but independence gives Scotland the chance to make a difference for its people, not for those who wish to be seen as somehow relevant on a World stage. I know I'd say free prescriptions for all is a bigger priority than sending aid to countries with their own nuclear weapons programs. And no, I don't have a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, I'm at least happier to listen to this guy than I am trolls like Mr Bairn and H_B. I think the No side needs more folk on here who aren't looking to just deliberately be arseholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 All decent questions. I think a lot of people have unanswered questions. They are all answered on the Internet though. My answers are- Ultimately the UK can't stop us from using the £. It's a tradeable stockmarket currency. The agreement with England is for a currency union. Something that BT say won't happen to sway No votes but it is in the best interest of the UK for them to agree it. Something they have previously said. Scotland would get into the EU given that we have the energy capital of Europe in Aberdeen and already have the core EU requirements. The EU has already said we wouldn't be treated as a new member.If Scotland couldn't argue that they were already members and had to reapply it should be noted that Cyprus, Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU years ago and it still hasn't implemented the Schengen policies. Cyprus has been a member for 10 years and hasn't bothered. We would be stronger under the UK for defence. Not getting involved in pointless conflicts wouldn't make us a target. Under iscotland we would spend the same as Norway on defence. I would urge you to look into it more. There is a lot of shite on the Internet but look for the answers that you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaKev Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hi kev, I understand where you are coming from however I believe you are misguided on the EU, if the Tories have their way we won't be in it regardless. Also on defence as member of NATO we are within a defence alliance, so that's that one sorted. Further on the sterling issue, it's no surprise west minster are saying no just now it's purely for political capital, don't forget that a government minister has been quoted as saying it's a go. There will be no issues with trade as we will be in the EU and will have continued trade with existing partners. Do a bit of digging the answers are out there however much the pro no media try to hide them. Hi Mate The matter of the Tories, I don't think they want out. They are putting that to try and win votes from the euro skeptics. Defence, to me is personal issue, rather than anything else. You may be right about Sterling, but where is a plan if it does not happen? Will we be in the EU, I want and need proof, not we should, but without doubt we will be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 No. But let me explain. I am not against the idea off full independence, but I find the idea that Yes campaign is all made up of this may happen is a step too far. Don't get me wrong, I know there will always be a certain uncertainty about going it alone. However the Yes campaign has not yet, given me solid assurances that x,y and z will happen. Take Sterling for instance, the UK has said that Scotland will not be involved in sterling if it goes alone (at least in momentary policies). The yes statement on that, the UK government will back down. Yes it may happen, but what happens if they don't. I think the Yes campaign should have said: OK we don't think it will be an issue, but if it does we will do..... The EU, what happens if Scotland don't get in as an existing member. I find this disappointing again with the Yes campaign that there is no plan as it will not happen according to Mr Salmond. But if it does? To join the EU now, you must take the Euro, join the Schengen Agreement, to never have a veto again. How will Scots take to having this pushed onto us? No response from the Yes campaign about plans if it does not go to plan. How would it effect our relationship with our major trading partner, rUK? Nothing changes according to yes, but it will. Tax raising and rates, where is any idea, what tax rates are presumed. For both business and personal? I can't operate my business without a plan for cash, so how can the white paper contain such a small amount of space on it. Not being funny but finance is the biggest part of any country. Defence, albeit this is a personal point of view. I would prefer to stay within the limits of UK as a partner in protection of ours and rUK as a combined force. However I appreciate that it may cost us, to do that. I have seen on here that anyone who questions yes, is taken as unpatriotic or thick. But these are fundamentals, even before we cross the t's and dot the i's. However, if something happens big in the next month, I may change my mind. But in all honesty I can't see it happening. I really think Scotland has missed a big opportunity, by going into this with only a pie in a sky idea. With no backbone to detail. Get yer tin hat on mate!! Incoming..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, I'm at least happier to listen to this guy than I am trolls like Mr Bairn and H_B. I think the No side needs more folk on here who aren't looking to just deliberately be arseholes. Your problem there, mate, is that by definition people who wish to deny a group of people (any group of people) the chance of a say in their own destiny are, unfortunately, arseholes. Sometimes well-read, sometimes persuasive. But if they believe any part of the UK is better funneling all the effort of its people towards making London somehow "important", and neglecting the people who actually make society work, they're plain wrong. Large swathes of Yorkshire haven't recovered from the Strike in 84, but we're all supposed to think that the way forward is wrecking large parts of the country in order to shorten the train time from London to Brum by 20 minutes? Seriously, who wouldn't want to break free of these fucking morons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 P45 - I really don't see Defence as an issue. We could have a wee fancy-dress troupe like Greece and be just as safe. Who the hell is going to invade a Western Nation in this day and age? I still reckon the best way to deal with the current deterrent is to allow the UK to keep the subs where they are and charge the fuk out of them for rent. Just imagine the fun they'd have getting any English constituency to accept Trident on their doorstep. NimbyMania! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Your problem there, mate, is that by definition people who wish to deny a group of people (any group of people) the chance of a say in their own destiny are, unfortunately, arseholes. Erm... I was talking about trolls on here. Can't believe I actually had to explain that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Thank God the no side finally have a guy that can make a bit of an effort. I'd say Ad Lib, but he at least claims to be a sceptical yes voter. And then you've got trolls like H_B and Mr Bairn that long since descended in name calling and whataboutery and the Brit Nats like Rodger and Pundit Hopefully this guy sticks around and doesn't get scared into troll mode like some of his predecessors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Fair enough to the OP, but if he thinks the Yes campaign are looking at a "pie in the sky" idea, how does he view the latest news from Westminster about a thriving economic recovery? The UK Government are doing well for those who are doing well. The rest of us (including public servants, like YT) can go fúck ourselves. Nobody knows what the future holds - but independence gives Scotland the chance to make a difference for its people, not for those who wish to be seen as somehow relevant on a World stage. I know I'd say free prescriptions for all is a bigger priority than sending aid to countries with their own nuclear weapons programs. And no, I don't have a vote. News failed to mention that the recovery is only being FELT in the South East. Citizens if the RUK are still feeling the pinch and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Thats why theres no hoo ha about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hi Mate The matter of the Tories, I don't think they want out. They are putting that to try and win votes from the euro skeptics. Defence, to me is personal issue, rather than anything else. You may be right about Sterling, but where is a plan if it does not happen? Will we be in the EU, I want and need proof, not we should, but without doubt we will be accepted. Out of their hands now I'm affraid. Its to be an IN- OUT referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Thank God the no side finally have a guy that can make a bit of an effort. I'd say Ad Lib, but he at least claims to be a sceptical yes voter. And then you've got trolls like H_B and Mr Bairn that long since descended in name calling and whataboutery and the Brit Nats like Rodger and Pundit Hopefully this guy sticks around and doesn't get scared into troll mode like some of his predecessors ^^^^^WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The Tories will campaign for the IN side along with Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and basically everyone who isn't right wing as f**k or a National Socialist like the BNP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaKev Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Out of their hands now I'm affraid. Its to be an IN- OUT referendum. a, If the Tories win the next election, then: b, they will campaign along with most major parties to stay in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The Tories will campaign for the IN side along with Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and basically everyone who isn't right wing as f**k or a National Socialist like the BNP Yes they will, we know. They dont want out. Thats why they brought in Hammond to bolster the pro Euro campaign. This is the tories playing with fire just as Scotlands referendum was labour playing with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Yes they will, we know. They dont want out. Thats why they brought in Hammond to bolster the pro Euro campaign. This is the tories playing with fire just as Scotlands referendum was labour playing with fire. Never heard of populism dude? They'll cosy up to UKIP and propose a referendum because that is a vote winner, then when the referendum itself happens they'll tell people how they really feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 a, If the Tories win the next election, then: b, they will campaign along with most major parties to stay in So how will they manage to turn around all those cross party Euro sceptics? Its mot an MP's vote. Its a public vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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