The_Kincardine Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Every No voter should read this and just have a think: http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/07/17/dinner-with-no-voters-or-what-i-wanted-to-say-before-the-pudding-hit-the-fan/ Up until September the 18th, we have all been able to hide behind all that being someone else’s fault. Either way the vote goes, Yes or No, that comfortable position has already been shattered. Either we vote to take responsibility for our own economics , our own wealth distribution, our own decisions to make war or peace…or we are voting to mandate away control over all of these matters to Westminster forever. I am pretty sure that the para I highlighted is the salient one from your post. Can you confirm that before I laugh publicly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 "National Socialists" The 1930's called, Rob, and wanted to know why you aren't wearing your red armband. I know where you stand, lets leave it at that. Cheers Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Eyes shut, nanananana not listening, fingers in ears etc etc etc. It's the NO voter way. Utterly pointless with some of the BritNat clown collective on here Confi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Lichtie, just imagine the 19th when Darling has to stand up at the mike and admit defeat, pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Lichtie, just imagine the 19th when Darling has to stand up at the mike and admit defeat, pleasing. I dunno, fingers crossed but. Will be massively disillusioned with my fellow Scots if they decide they want things to continue as they are AyrMad, what a depressing thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I thought Project Fear was only applicable to the BetterTogether campaign? Suppose if you can't beat the scaremongering, you might as well join them - so to speak. It's what makes the Yes supporters who go on about UKIP governments so irritating to me. I don't neccesarily agree that reflecting on the negative is a terrible thing to do. Part of having a positive vision is after all, expressing a will for something better than the status quo. In that way Britain's failings are a relevant point of discussion. But f**k me, there are enough things to legitimately complain about; not "oh this could be bad", "but this might happen", actual guaranteed, 100% not going to change in the current set up, concerns about Scotland's existence within the UK. Raise these things, explain with examples why this is not accepted by so many of our neighbours and try to present a vision of a better alternative. No benefit in just making negative shit up. It's pathetic and BetterTogetherish in the extreme. Edit: That's not me intending to seem too critical for posting that Confidemus. Quite a lot of it is points that I think have a lot of merit. It's just the UKIP thing that gets on my tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Oh look, scaremongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Eyes shut, nanananana not listening, fingers in ears etc etc etc. It's the NO voter way. Utterly pointless with some of the BritNat clown collective on here Confi. Perhaps shitebaggery blocks free thought. It's what makes the Yes supporters who go on about UKIP governments so irritating to me. I don't neccesarily agree that reflecting on the negative is a terrible thing to do. Part of having a positive vision is after all, expressing a will for something better than the status quo. In that way Britain's failings are a relevant point of discussion. But f**k me, there are enough things to legitimately complain about; not "oh this could be bad", "but this might happen", actual guaranteed, 100% not going to change in the current set up, concerns about Scotland's existence within the UK. Raise these things, explain with examples why this is not accepted by so many of our neighbours and try to present a vision of a better alternative. No benefit in just making negative shit up. It's pathetic and BetterTogetherish in the extreme. Edit: That's not me intending to seem too critical for posting that Confidemus. Quite a lot of it is points that I think have a lot of merit. It's just the UKIP thing that gets on my tits. Fair do's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I dunno, fingers crossed but. Will be massively disillusioned with my fellow Scots if they decide they want things to continue as they are AyrMad, what a depressing thought. no matter the result on 18th Sept, on the 19th we need just get on with it, "resentment and anger" is not in any way going to help whoever loses, hopefully any "bad feeling" that is initially felt, should subside within a short while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 no matter the result on 18th Sept, on the 19th we need just get on with it, "resentment and anger" is not in any way going to help whoever loses, hopefully any "bad feeling" that is initially felt, should subside within a short while If it is a No vote, the aftereffects of it, and how far reaching they are will determine how long my resentment at No voters remains. I suspect my resentment will stay for quite a while. I never thought so many of my fellow Scots were such shiters and, to borrow a phrase from the Wildlings in Game of Thrones, "kneelers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Tl;dr to the entire thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If it is a No vote, the aftereffects of it, and how far reaching they are will determine how long my resentment at No voters remains. I suspect my resentment will stay for quite a while. I never thought so many of my fellow Scots were such shiters and, to borrow a phrase from the Wildlings in Game of Thrones, "kneelers". Not good my friend, I hope that it is not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You still don't get it, British first and foremost, how cant you see (even if you cant accept) how important that is to us? Don't bother with ridicule it's the way it is for many of us. You pretend it's not... This is blind nationalism, that we're accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You pretend it's not... This is blind nationalism, that we're accused of. Exactly. The Brit Nats just do not recognise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 no matter the result on 18th Sept, on the 19th we need just get on with it, "resentment and anger" is not in any way going to help whoever loses, hopefully any "bad feeling" that is initially felt, should subside within a short while All No voters are telling us that no matter the result, we just need to get on with it. They know that a YES wont affect them adversley in any way. They also know that a NO vote will crush the very soul out of Scotland. Thats why they want YES voters to forgive them and move on. " Resentment and anger " will never die from YES voters. In fact they will only build and grow stronger when no new devo powers materialise. Remember its hope and aspirations that a NO vote will crush in YES voters. What will a YES vote crush in the NO voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You still don't get it, British first and foremost, how cant you see (even if you cant accept) how important that is to us? Don't bother with ridicule it's the way it is for many of us. Elizabeth II, Edward VII, Edward VIII. Please tell me what is British (or Scottish) about them ? When you vote for Labour, Liberal or Tory you are voting for an english monarchy and class system. You are a bunch of sheep that are easily led. Baaaaaaaaaaa!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You pretend it's not... This is blind nationalism, that we're accused of. Not accusing you of anything, you lads don't have a monopoly on being proud Scots though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 My experience when going abroad and calling myself British is that people think I mean English, especially in the US. The 2 word are interchangeable for people. Scotland is just seen as part of England. Ignorance on their part I know but if people that want to known as British will be more know as being English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Richard DawkinsVerified account@RichardDawkins If Scotland leaves UK, may I move to Scotland, please? f**k that I am voting NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 My experience when going abroad and calling myself British is that people think I mean English, especially in the US. The 2 word are interchangeable for people. Scotland is just seen as part of England. Ignorance on their part I know but if people that want to known as British will be more know as being English. Don't understand that at all, but who's the lassie in your avatar btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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