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Hello folks. New to this forum. Stumbled across it through looking for a decent independence debate to see how the lie of the land is. Anyway here's my first spiel:

My take on independence:

UK politics is broken. Scotland's is worse. The tories haven't had a voice in over a generation and are pretty much a tainted irrelevance in this country. Labour are just as bad. Within a generation they have completely changed their entire raison d'etre and moved from the left to the right. Any person who says "I've voted Labour all my life and will continue to do so" is an idiot. We have Miliband saying he will "govern like Maggie", threatening to put border controls up. So since Thatcher we've had a void in the political spectrum where the traditional right of centre party has been wiped out, then the traditional left has moved to right. This is a total mess.

We've had the most laughable No campaign. A total shambles where the Yes camp have hardly had to say anything because of all the scaremongering, negativity and buffoonery.

On top of all this we have HS and HS2. So we are expected to pay for these things while if we vote yes they want to put up border controls?

Nuclear weapons - we didn't ask for them to be put in our country. The MoD stopped oil exploration in the Firth of Clyde because it could interfere with the subs. Servicing Trident costs £2.4bn a year. Replacing Trident could cost up to £130bn. All this while we have to suffer austerity measures. We face being plunged into even more debt for these weapons, which we replaced in Loch Long because the collateral damage after an accident in Scotland would be more acceptable than if they were in for example Portsmouth.

The UK is changing. Rapidly.

The independence debate is just one part of the bigger picture. And things seem to be taking a turn for the sinister in some areas. The BBC in particular. A public funded body that is meant to be impartial. It has been accused of bias. Here is one rather disturbing example:

http://m.thedrum.com/opinion/2014/06/30/i-was-bullied-bbc-over-academic-report-indyref-bias-scottish-media-blackout-must?utm_content=bufferf5cd8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Then you add to that the scanadlous 'coverage' of the march and demonstration in London against austerity. WTF is going on here?

All of this and I've not even mentioned oil.

I was a disenchanted non-voter because I didn't see anything worth voting for. If there is anything in life voting for it is the chance to change this country. Unfortunately for unionists who may also feel that there is a need for change to the political system in Scotland, the only way that can happen is with a Yes vote.

Europe: We have been a member since its inception. Also I don't see it in any of the current member state's interest to stop a country with vast fishing territory along with the other trading benefits that come from EU membership.

The pound. It's as much ours as anyone else's. The Bank of England is such in name only. We have our share in this and it is not England's to tell us otherwise.

All of this has been an epiphany for me. Hopefully the rest of Scotland will wake up from its political slumber and see the light. Even if Scotland does vote No, the independence debate will not go away. There have been too many people that have woken up and are demanding change. And ye kin stick yer Devo Max!

these are the facts as I see them. Feel free to prove otherwise. I'm not here to fall out with anyone or cause trouble. Slainte mhath!

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Confidemus

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Very decent and refreshing first post. Word of warning though. The unionists here drag the debate down in pedantry and endless questions.

Oh and Ad Lib is a confirmed Yes voter. Keep that in mind.

Welcome.

:)

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thank you confidemus. I was hoping the unionists would have more answers than questions. pedantry is just so boring :) tubbs never has a question or statement been so badly written, because I can't decide which it's meant to be, but your input is noted.

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Never has a thread been so badly named ?

thank you confidemus. I was hoping the unionists would have more answers than questions. pedantry is just so boring :)tubbs never has a question or statement been so badly written, because I can't decide which it's meant to be, but your input is noted.

Holy shit Tubbs you just got owned.

I'm glad to see a Yes-voting Rangers fan to be honest. I knew some were out there...

Welcome

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Sev Co? Did he not run the 1,500 metres in the 84 Olympics? Thanks for the welcome though troops. Just waiting for the mud slinging naysaying doomsday scenario heralding blind voting mind numbing Alex Salmond hating denial filled unionist alarmist Labour/Toryist negative pedantic blinkered deluded pish to start :)

Oh aye and you can swear on this forum. Well FUCKADOODLEDOO!!!

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Holy shit Tubbs you just got owned.

I'm glad to see a Yes-voting Rangers fan to be honest. I knew some were out there...

Welcome

I know four Sevconians in real life who are voting Yes.

Which is a decent proportion of the Sevconians who I actually know IRL.

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Nah getting all precious isn't my style. Just thought the Sevco/Sevconian thing got a bit boring a while ago.

Yes, there's certainly one thing we know..

Rangers fans aren't the type to celebrate things from the past :1eye

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Nah getting all precious isn't my style. Just thought the Sevco/Sevconian thing got a bit boring a while ago. I could retaliate by calling you a durty sheep shaggin Rainjurs hatin basturt, but I won't :)

We embrace the Sheep Shagging label.

So I am indeed a Sheep Shagging, Rainjurs hating basturt.

I'm clean as a whistle, though.

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Hello folks. New to this forum. Stumbled across it through looking for a decent independence debate to see how the lie of the land is. Anyway here's my first spiel:

My take on independence:

UK politics is broken. Scotland's is worse. The tories haven't had a voice in over a generation and are pretty much a tainted irrelevance in this country. Labour are just as bad. Within a generation they have completely changed their entire raison d'etre and moved from the left to the right. Any person who says "I've voted Labour all my life and will continue to do so" is an idiot. We have Miliband saying he will "govern like Maggie", threatening to put border controls up. So since Thatcher we've had a void in the political spectrum where the traditional right of centre party has been wiped out, then the traditional left has moved to right. This is a total mess.

We've had the most laughable No campaign. A total shambles where the Yes camp have hardly had to say anything because of all the scaremongering, negativity and buffoonery.

On top of all this we have HS and HS2. So we are expected to pay for these things while if we vote yes they want to put up border controls?

Nuclear weapons - we didn't ask for them to be put in our country. The MoD stopped oil exploration in the Firth of Clyde because it could interfere with the subs. Servicing Trident costs £2.4bn a year. Replacing Trident could cost up to £130bn. All this while we have to suffer austerity measures. We face being plunged into even more debt for these weapons, which we replaced in Loch Long because the collateral damage after an accident in Scotland would be more acceptable than if they were in for example Portsmouth.

The UK is changing. Rapidly.

The independence debate is just one part of the bigger picture. And things seem to be taking a turn for the sinister in some areas. The BBC in particular. A public funded body that is meant to be impartial. It has been accused of bias. Here is one rather disturbing example:

http://m.thedrum.com/opinion/2014/06/30/i-was-bullied-bbc-over-academic-report-indyref-bias-scottish-media-blackout-must?utm_content=bufferf5cd8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Then you add to that the scanadlous 'coverage' of the march and demonstration in London against austerity. WTF is going on here?

All of this and I've not even mentioned oil.

I was a disenchanted non-voter because I didn't see anything worth voting for. If there is anything in life voting for it is the chance to change this country. Unfortunately for unionists who may also feel that there is a need for change to the political system in Scotland, the only way that can happen is with a Yes vote.

Europe: We have been a member since its inception. Also I don't see it in any of the current member state's interest to stop a country with vast fishing territory along with the other trading benefits that come from EU membership.

The pound. It's as much ours as anyone else's. The Bank of England is such in name only. We have our share in this and it is not England's to tell us otherwise.

All of this has been an epiphany for me. Hopefully the rest of Scotland will wake up from its political slumber and see the light. Even if Scotland does vote No, the independence debate will not go away. There have been too many people that have woken up and are demanding change. And ye kin stick yer Devo Max!

these are the facts as I see them. Feel free to prove otherwise. I'm not here to fall out with anyone or cause trouble. Slainte mhath![/qufuck.

Go and vote SNP then you brainless f**k.

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