banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The nadir had to be the MEP. A two term MEP actually. I'm not sure Scotland has any two term MEPs, think they've all been around longer than that. maybe Alyn Smith of the SNP is the exception there. And the Ukip guy obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 as the President of the United States. Or China. A google search on "Noam Chomsky Scottish Independence" brings up as its first two entries... reports in the Guardian and the Scotsman reporting his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The tory MEP is new as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 A two term MEP actually. Ah, sorry. I take it back. A 2 term MEP indeed.... Li Kegiang is a mere stripling in his role. Nothing like the cachet of a 2 time MEP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Well,no Burma said external supporters of indy had gone unreported, then produced a list which had people whose views were in fact reported. More to the point, then produced a list which had people, some of whom hadn't even supported independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Ah, sorry. I take it back. A 2 term MEP indeed.... Li Kegiang is a mere stripling in his role. Nothing like the cachet of a 2 time MEP. shadow Justice Minister was my favourite. I doubt the majority of posters on this forum could name the Shadow Justice people at Holyrood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 More to the point, then produced a list which had people, some of whom hadn't even supported independence. Can you provide evidence that they have never at any point supported independence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Having fun you three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 More to the point, then produced a list which had people, some of whom hadn't even supported independence. It was the unreported part which piqued my curiousity, but yeah, fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Reporting that a 2-term Irish MEP supports independence would be like the New York Times reporting "major blow to Obama stimulus package as Gordon Mathieson comes out against it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Having fun you three? Nah man, still fucked with hayfever. Don;t suppose you could name the shadow justice people at holyrood could you? Just out of interest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Reporting that a 2-term Irish MEP supports independence would be like the New York Times reporting "major blow to Obama stimulus package as Gordon Mathieson comes out against it". Or equally the First Minister of Wales. Oh sorry, I forgot he is an important person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Or equally the First Minister of Wales. Oh sorry, I forgot he is an important person. lol wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Having fun you three? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Noam Cholmsky (not a politician) possibly the worlds leading author on global politics "Leading" in output if not analysis. Not that I take issue with your point but Chomsky's opinion was well publicised by The Guardian (online at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Or equally the First Minister of Wales. Oh sorry, I forgot he is an important person. The head of the executive of a devolved administration that would actually be directly affected by the structural consequences of Scottish secession is, yes, more important to the Scottish independence debate than an Irish MEP, as indeed is the Welsh First Minister more important to the Scottish constitutional question than the head of Glasgow City Council is to Barack Obama's stimulus package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The head of the executive of a devolved administration that would actually be directly affected by the structural consequences of Scottish secession is, yes, more important to the Scottish independence debate than an Irish MEP, as indeed is the Welsh First Minister more important to the Scottish constitutional question than the head of Glasgow City Council is to Barack Obama's stimulus package. He has no say on the matter, he is irrelevant. ETA: It is almost surreal, how you appear to think that you are the determining power regarding the relevance an importance of individuals to the debate. Now, speaking of irrelevant, 12% of the Welsh population is substantially more than the Lib Dems received in the last election. Perhaps you can therefore advice which is more irrelevant. 12% of Wales or the Lib Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He has no say on the matter, he is irrelevant. He really isn't. It affects his budget, the composition of the British Irish Council and the balance of political influence relative to Westminster his government has on the question of powers exercised by the Assembly of which he is a Member and the Executive which he leads. It affects the domestic rights of the British citizens who elected him on a whole range of issues where eligibility for government support is contingent to some extent upon citizenship. It affects the underlying macroeconomic arrangements, fiscal and monetary, which sustain the governmental settlement under which he exercises power. The same is not true of a two-term Irish MEP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He really isn't. It affects his budget, the composition of the British Irish Council and the balance of political influence relative to Westminster his government has on the question of powers exercised by the Assembly of which he is a Member and the Executive which he leads. It affects the domestic rights of the British citizens who elected him on a whole range of issues where eligibility for government support is contingent to some extent upon citizenship. It affects the underlying macroeconomic arrangements, fiscal and monetary, which sustain the governmental settlement under which he exercises power. The same is not true of a two-term Irish MEP. In the context of a Scottish Referendum he is most certainly irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He really isn't. It affects his budget, the composition of the British Irish Council and the balance of political influence relative to Westminster his government has on the question of powers exercised by the Assembly of which he is a Member and the Executive which he leads. It affects the domestic rights of the British citizens who elected him on a whole range of issues where eligibility for government support is contingent to some extent upon citizenship. It affects the underlying macroeconomic arrangements, fiscal and monetary, which sustain the governmental settlement under which he exercises power. The same is not true of a two-term Irish MEP. Long hand for he'll miss the subsidy from Scotland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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