Heart of Midlothian 2014-

[Sergeant Wilson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52780841

More bad news.

[Tony Wonder]

9 hours ago, TonyFerrino said:

Pretty sharp - keep it nice and simple.  Agree about the yellow / gold band likes.

Jambos, do youse have yellow / gold as a colour ordinarily, that Earl of Poncenbery one aside?  Not a colour normally associated with Hearts that I recall.  

We had yellow on a previous home Umbro top, think it was 2007/8. We had yellow on that years away kit tooI. It was honking tbf but this works much better.

 

[Green Day]

I am unsure if other clubs will be as unsympathetic, but it strikes me that a club that has received cash injections between £18 and £20 million from FoH and anonymous donors over the last 2 years needs to stop playing the Oliver Twist card.

FoH donations alone are in the region of £1.5m a year, never mind the parachute payment - Hearts in the Championship - even with no crowds - will be in better financial shape than some clubs in the Premiership.

Are Hearts worth "saving" more than - say - Dunfermline?

 

Originally Posted by Daily Record

Hearts could be pushed to the brink of another financial collapse next week.

The shock news comes as a group of cash-strapped Championship rivals prepare to tell the SPFL they can’t afford to start next season behind closed doors.

Record Sport understands all 10 clubs from the second tier of the Scottish game will hold a crunch conference call on Monday to discuss plans to get the 2020-21 campaign up and running.

And at least three of them are already resigned to mothballing the division until fans are allowed to return to their grounds – with one proposal already on the table to freeze football until January and then stage a truncated 18-game season.

That will be the catalyst for Hearts to submit their reconstruction plan to the SPFL in the desperate hope Premiership clubs will agree to let the Jambos stay in an expanded top flight.

If the Hearts bid fails, they face up to seven months sitting idle in a mothballed Championship.

On Friday, Dunfermline announced a total of 17 players have been freed as they slash costs in an attempt to survive without matchday revenue until 2021.

And that’s a nightmare scenario for the relegated Tynecastle club and owner Ann Budge, who is now facing a fight to save her club from a second insolvency event – six years after hauling the Edinburgh giants out of administration.

Budge is still working on a plan for league reconstruction which she hopes will throw Hearts a lifeline back into the Premiership.

And she has received support from a number of sympathetic top flight clubs who understand the catastrophic consequences of being dumped into a division which can’t return to action.

One top flight club told Record Sport: “There is a growing realisation of the immense pressure which Ann and Hearts are now under.

“To have been relegated during the coronavirus lockdown before all remaining fixtures had been played was bad enough. But if Hearts can’t play games next season then it’s impossible to see how the club could survive.

“There is a willingness to help them out of this hole. Scottish football can’t afford to sit back and do nothing if it means losing a club of this size.”

A Tynecastle source revealed on Friday night that Budge’s paper will go to clubs on Monday.

The source said: “Excellent progress has been made on the paper that is proposing an amended structure to help Scottish football through the challenges of the Covid pandemic.

“Ann has been consulting with clubs across all leagues, to understand their individual circumstances and continues to do so.

“These conversations take time but are vital in understanding the issues and challenges clubs face and refine the content of the paper.

“As such nothing will be issued until Monday, at the earliest.”

Record Sport also understands the Championship clubs expressed huge sympathy for Budge’s plight during an online meeting on Wednesday but see an expanded Premiership as their only hope.

One club chairman said: “We have to move into survival mode now. Playing the Championship behind closed doors is not viable and that is the majority view. The Premiership might be working towards a re-start in August but it simply doesn’t work for us.”

Tynecastle boss Daniel Stendel is sceptical the plan will work. He said: “Voting is complicated in Scotland and if there are only one or two votes against, it won’t go through. And as is usually the case in life, in the end, everyone looks after themselves.”

Morton are among a group of clubs who believe the division can begin behind closed doors and have been exploring the potential of raising cash from pay-per-view live streaming of matches.

But Dunfermline’s decision to cut Stevie Crawford’s squad to just a handful of players is a clear indication of the crisis about to engulf Scottish football’s second tier.

The East End Park club said: “All Scottish clubs now face uncertain times. As a consequence of this, we are afraid to announce our club will not be in a position to offer new contracts, at this time, to any of the players who are out of contract over the coming days.”

Queen of the South – with just three players under contract – are in favour of an extended shutdown and truncated campaign.

But, despite being relegated to League One, Partick Thistle are among a number of clubs in the lowest two tiers who would be able to cope financially with starting up behind closed doors.

[Tony Wonder]

The FOH money has absolutely hee haw to do with the running of the club.

And how will we be in a better state than any Premiership clubs with nowhere near the same income from TV?

I don't think we are absolutely fucked as per that article, but it's clearly going to be tough.  Especially when we have a big squad on contracts, we can't just empty 17 players like Dunfermline.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Tony Wonder

[TonyFerrino]

3 hours ago, NJ2 said:

The top’s actually a lot smarter than I remembered it

https://www.oldfootballshirts.com/en/teams/h/heart-of-midlothian/old-heart-of-midlothian-football-shirt-s12102.html

No so sure about those trainers though...

On reflection, not my finest footwear.  

[Green Day]

2 hours ago, Tony Wonder said:

The FOH money has absolutely hee haw to do with the running of the club.

And how will we be in a better state than any Premiership clubs with nowhere near the same income from TV?

I don't think we are absolutely fucked as per that article, but it's clearly going to be tough.  Especially when we have a big squad on contracts, we can't just empty 17 players like Dunfermline.

(A) FoH funds have been used as running costs since day 1.

(B) Hearts are a championship club not a Premiership one - and will have more money than all others in that division.

 

However, if you think you will have less dough than, say Hamilton, then you are deluded.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Green Day

[Arch Stanton]

14 hours ago, Lofarl said:

That tbf  is a decent looking Hearts top.  I do prefer simple kits.  I'd maybe lose the gold trim on the sleeve.  But a soild 8/10 for me.

Have you seen the back?

 

[HibsFan]

On 22/05/2020 at 12:39, Empty It said:

Sounds like derby dominance has changed definition to biggest stadium and league position, nothing to do with the head to head results.

If anybody's moving the goalposts here it's yourself.

Hibs went nine in a row unbeaten in this period against Hearts - a team blessed/cursed with a support who spent much of the late 80s and early 90s gleefully racking up derby draws to statpad unbeaten streaks.

Nine derbies in a row unbeaten (and just the one defeat in twelve) certainly seems like dominance to me. But then again, what do I know?

[Miko’s Dive]

4 hours ago, Green Day said:

I am unsure if other clubs will be as unsympathetic, but it strikes me that a club that has received cash injections between £18 and £20 million from FoH and anonymous donors over the last 2 years needs to stop playing the Oliver Twist card.

FoH donations alone are in the region of £1.5m a year, never mind the parachute payment - Hearts in the Championship - even with no crowds - will be in better financial shape than some clubs in the Premiership.

Are Hearts worth "saving" more than - say - Dunfermline?

 

Originally Posted by Daily Record

Hearts could be pushed to the brink of another financial collapse next week.

The shock news comes as a group of cash-strapped Championship rivals prepare to tell the SPFL they can’t afford to start next season behind closed doors.

Record Sport understands all 10 clubs from the second tier of the Scottish game will hold a crunch conference call on Monday to discuss plans to get the 2020-21 campaign up and running.

And at least three of them are already resigned to mothballing the division until fans are allowed to return to their grounds – with one proposal already on the table to freeze football until January and then stage a truncated 18-game season.

That will be the catalyst for Hearts to submit their reconstruction plan to the SPFL in the desperate hope Premiership clubs will agree to let the Jambos stay in an expanded top flight.

If the Hearts bid fails, they face up to seven months sitting idle in a mothballed Championship.

On Friday, Dunfermline announced a total of 17 players have been freed as they slash costs in an attempt to survive without matchday revenue until 2021.

And that’s a nightmare scenario for the relegated Tynecastle club and owner Ann Budge, who is now facing a fight to save her club from a second insolvency event – six years after hauling the Edinburgh giants out of administration.

Budge is still working on a plan for league reconstruction which she hopes will throw Hearts a lifeline back into the Premiership.

And she has received support from a number of sympathetic top flight clubs who understand the catastrophic consequences of being dumped into a division which can’t return to action.

One top flight club told Record Sport: “There is a growing realisation of the immense pressure which Ann and Hearts are now under.

“To have been relegated during the coronavirus lockdown before all remaining fixtures had been played was bad enough. But if Hearts can’t play games next season then it’s impossible to see how the club could survive.

“There is a willingness to help them out of this hole. Scottish football can’t afford to sit back and do nothing if it means losing a club of this size.”

A Tynecastle source revealed on Friday night that Budge’s paper will go to clubs on Monday.

The source said: “Excellent progress has been made on the paper that is proposing an amended structure to help Scottish football through the challenges of the Covid pandemic.

“Ann has been consulting with clubs across all leagues, to understand their individual circumstances and continues to do so.

“These conversations take time but are vital in understanding the issues and challenges clubs face and refine the content of the paper.

“As such nothing will be issued until Monday, at the earliest.”

Record Sport also understands the Championship clubs expressed huge sympathy for Budge’s plight during an online meeting on Wednesday but see an expanded Premiership as their only hope.

One club chairman said: “We have to move into survival mode now. Playing the Championship behind closed doors is not viable and that is the majority view. The Premiership might be working towards a re-start in August but it simply doesn’t work for us.”

Tynecastle boss Daniel Stendel is sceptical the plan will work. He said: “Voting is complicated in Scotland and if there are only one or two votes against, it won’t go through. And as is usually the case in life, in the end, everyone looks after themselves.”

Morton are among a group of clubs who believe the division can begin behind closed doors and have been exploring the potential of raising cash from pay-per-view live streaming of matches.

But Dunfermline’s decision to cut Stevie Crawford’s squad to just a handful of players is a clear indication of the crisis about to engulf Scottish football’s second tier.

The East End Park club said: “All Scottish clubs now face uncertain times. As a consequence of this, we are afraid to announce our club will not be in a position to offer new contracts, at this time, to any of the players who are out of contract over the coming days.”

Queen of the South – with just three players under contract – are in favour of an extended shutdown and truncated campaign.

But, despite being relegated to League One, Partick Thistle are among a number of clubs in the lowest two tiers who would be able to cope financially with starting up behind closed doors.

Can’t play games, Pars? Step aside, join the amateurs and let someone else do it instead. Perhaps Partick?

You can’t release players - like clubs do EVERY season - and then say you’re not for playing? That’s putting pressure on other clubs and the league. 
 

Unless they are saving money for the legal case, of course

[topcat(The most tip top)]

If anybody's moving the goalposts here it's yourself.

Hibs went nine in a row unbeaten in this period against Hearts - a team blessed/cursed with a support who spent much of the late 80s and early 90s gleefully racking up derby draws to statpad unbeaten streaks.

Nine derbies in a row unbeaten (and just the one defeat in twelve) certainly seems like dominance to me. But then again, what do I know?

 

the 5-1 comfort blanket final was actually game 11 of “12 in a row” but we tend not to go on about the “12 in a row streak” very much

[eddiemunster]

20 hours ago, Navallion said:

Thought it would have a red neck.

[Empty It]

If anybody's moving the goalposts here it's yourself.
Hibs went nine in a row unbeaten in this period against Hearts - a team blessed/cursed with a support who spent much of the late 80s and early 90s gleefully racking up derby draws to statpad unbeaten streaks.
Nine derbies in a row unbeaten (and just the one defeat in twelve) certainly seems like dominance to me. But then again, what do I know?

Again it's quite simple, how can you claim a period of dominance when your team were beat more than they won.

[Arch Stanton]

Outstanding

 

[Green Day]

BBC now reporting that Hearts financial situation will be fine.

Hilarious. Budge doesn't even know how to brief the press properly.

Let's vote this shite into the sea and move on with a bit of dignity.

[paranoid android]

37 minutes ago, Green Day said:

BBC now reporting that Hearts financial situation will be fine.

Hilarious. Budge doesn't even know how to brief the press properly.

Let's vote this shite into the sea and move on with a bit of dignity.

What's this about a vote?

[topcat(The most tip top)]

1 hour ago, Green Day said:

BBC now reporting that Hearts financial situation will be fine.

 They're saying it won't be ruinous which isn't the same thing.

 

 

 

[Mr. X]

2 hours ago, Green Day said:

BBC now reporting that Hearts financial situation will be fine.

Hilarious. Budge doesn't even know how to brief the press properly.

Let's vote this shite into the sea and move on with a bit of dignity.

For 'move on with a bit of dignity  read 'roll over and take a shafting like a pathetic loser'.

There's no disputing you're a Hibby.

[Green Day]

15 minutes ago, Mr. X said:

There's no disputing you're a Hibby.

Was it the drop dead gorgeous looks and rapier like wit that gave it away?

Or just the relaxed mood of a guy who knows that he will be playing in the Premiership next season?

[Guest JTS98]

On 22/05/2020 at 14:21, PauloPerth said:

However, should fans have to pay every month to subsidise the running of the club if they already buy season tickets,

 

Of course not.

Nobody has to pay anything at all.

I find it remarkable, especially given Hearts' and football in general's relationship with relying on wealthy single owners for finance, that anybody could see anything wrong with football supporters as a community choosing to finance their club.

The benefits are obvious.

[Green Day]

4 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

The benefits are obvious

Aye, its worked an absolute treat for you lot, eh?