AFCDannyFTH Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Honestly didn't realise Hayes/McGinn were inherited tbh. He inherited a McGinn that finished the season with 20 goals and never played him up front again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: I think it's fairly clear what I'm stating. Your fans could easily regret hounding McInnes out if your next manager makes a c**t of you Mark McGhee style. And I'd say that's more likely to happen than someone to do better than McInnes. Fair enough - I could easily be completely wrong and you appoint someone that has you finishing 3rd most seasons and able to get the odd shock against Celtic or Rangers in the cups. That's not a million miles from what you've already got though and it could easily go the other way. Total nonsense. I was not a fan of McGhee at all but he inherited a shite heap created by Jimmy Calderwood and had the massive massively reduced. It was absolutely Calderwoods time to go. It was a shite appointment which followed and was based on sentiment alone. Is it ok in any other industry than football to put up with an under performing management team because "well the next team could be worse"? The man is paid somewhere in the region between £500k - £800k for fucks sake. 8 minutes ago, HibsFan said: Don't think the two make a correlation, he also inherited a pretty good team from Craig Brown - here's the team from his last game: McInnes' signings, by and large, have been average to woeful. He's had a massive budget, a massive pay packet, and he's fucked it, frankly. And he's too arrogant and classless of a chancer to recognise it and stand down. Nah, he didn't inherit a good team. He inherited a couple of good players. His recruitment has gotten worse as the years have went on. EDIT: A couple was harsh. Of the team he inheritedJack, Anderson, McGinn, Hayes and Reynolds were good. Vernon was ok. Shaughnessy wasn't enar to where he is yet. Edited February 6, 2021 by Merkland Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Total nonsense. I was not a fan of McGhee at all but he inherited a shite heap created by Jimmy Calderwood and had the massive massively reduced. It was absolutely Calderwoods time to go. It was a shite appointment which followed and was based on sentiment alone. Is it ok in any other industry than football to put up with an under performing management team because "well the next team could be worse"? The man is paid somewhere in the region between £500k - £800k for fucks sake. Nah, he didn't inherit a good team. He inherited a couple of good players. His recruitment has gotten worse as the years have went on. Time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: So you're saying "Be careful what you wish for because you are muddling along" What? He's saying things could get a lot worse if you don't hire the right guy. It's pretty simple, even you should be able to get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, RossBFaeDundee said: He's saying things could get a lot worse if you don't hire the right guy. It's pretty simple, even you should be able to get it. Again, this might be true. And again, it's zero reason not to get rid of a manager who shouldn't be there anymore. It's a coward's way out of making the decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said: He's saying things could get a lot worse if you don't hire the right guy. It's pretty simple, even you should be able to get it. Yes. It's a pretty simple concept. Things could also get worse if we don't sack him. Things could also get better if we do. One thing that's for certain is it's been an obvious downwards trend for several years now. Edited February 6, 2021 by Merkland Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Just now, Andre Drazen said: Again, this might be true. And again, it's zero reason not to get rid of a manager who shouldn't be there anymore. It's a coward's way out of making the decision. Yeah. It's not rocket science. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Nah, he didn't inherit a good team. He inherited a couple of good players. His recruitment has gotten worse as the years have went on. EDIT: A couple was harsh. Of the team he inheritedJack, Anderson, McGinn, Hayes and Reynolds were good. Vernon was ok. Shaughnessy wasn't enar to where he is yet. I said "pretty good" and I stick by it, with your edit you've probably seen the light and now agree with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Andre Drazen said: Again, this might be true. And again, it's zero reason not to get rid of a manager who shouldn't be there anymore. It's a coward's way out of making the decision. 1 minute ago, Merkland Red said: Yes. It's a pretty simple concept. Things could also get worse if we don't sack him. Things could also get better if we do. One thing that's for certain is it's been an obvious downwards trend for several years now. Nobody's saying it's not the right decision. Clearly Deek has taken you as far as he ever will, and it's now very repetitive and boring/frustrating. But the fact is that he gets you into Europe every season, and his record against non-OF teams speaks for itself. I wonder if Hearts for example would swap their volatility with a similar budget for that kind of stability. I just think that stability should be appreciated more, though the clear staleness and lack of improvement makes it a fair decision to make. Will be interesting if Aberdeen start struggling for top 6 in the coming years, or if they'll do better than where they are now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Nobody's saying it's not the right decision. Clearly Deek has taken you as far as he ever will, and it's now very repetitive and boring/frustrating. But the fact is that he gets you into Europe every season, and his record against non-OF teams speaks for itself. I wonder if Hearts for example would swap their volatility with a similar budget for that kind of stability. I just think that stability should be appreciated more, though the clear staleness and lack of improvement makes it a fair decision to make. Will be interesting if Aberdeen start struggling for top 6 in the coming years, or if they'll do better than where they are now. If the next person struggles with the budget and facilities we have then they should be moved on too. Every single player in our squad is a Derek McInnes signing. Whether he has extended their contract, signed them to the club for a second time or they were a new signing altogether. He's been here almost 8 years. It's clear things aren't going to get any better. As harsh as it sounds. He was the right man at the right time but that time has now passed. Some would argue it was time a couple of years ago. That's too harsh IMO. There's a bipolar attitude towards McInnes from rival supporters on P&B. Lose to the OF and it's "you've shit the bed. McInnes is shite" etc. Talk of him leaving is always responded to with "be careful what you wish for. Remember McGhee etc". 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, HibsFan said: I said "pretty good" and I stick by it, with your edit you've probably seen the light and now agree with me. He still had a fair overhaul in the first few years. He has to be given credit for that. The first man with the balls to bin Clangers too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afc_blockhead Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: He still had a fair overhaul in the first few years. He has to be given credit for that. The first man with the balls to bin Clangers too. He also successfully replaced key players over and over without dropping placings in the league etc (until recently) -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said: He also successfully replaced key players over and over without dropping placings in the league etc (until recently) I think that's fair. He should have been a bit more creative with his signings once it got to the stage where he couldn't replace some of them. Rather than going like for like try and evolve your style or change your philosophy. Unfortunately that's how you end up with your Curtis Mains and Craig Brysons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCDannyFTH Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: He still had a fair overhaul in the first few years. He has to be given credit for that. The first man with the balls to bin Clangers too. McGhee and Brown both tried their best to replace him but neither succeeded. It does seem as if Leighton was an issue in that situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 In all seriousness. In a season were Celtic have blown 10 in a row are playing as bad as they have in 10 years, have a manager who has lost the plot and have shat the bed like it's never been shat before Aberdeen should be finishing 2nd. instead they'll be releived that Livingston got beat today. And they aren't (yet) staring down the barrel of finishing 5th (yet). McInnes should be doing better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 The man has had 8yrs of press arselicking. They are happy with his "3rd is good enough" defeatist negative attitude, it keeps those two in the top positions. He speils his shite that they absolutely lap up, now that English has broken ranks they are now starting to question him, yet two weeks ago wouldnt, What has changed, by Richard Gordon and English statements suggests that they have been tipped off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Willie adie said: The man has had 8yrs of press arselicking. They are happy with his "3rd is good enough" defeatist negative attitude, it keeps those two in the top positions. Always find this take a bit wild, tbh. If Aberdeen fans aren't going to be happy until they're challenging for the title every single season, then I guess they'll have a miserable existence. You've got decades of catching up to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, Romeo said: In all seriousness. In a season were Celtic have blown 10 in a row are playing as bad as they have in 10 years, have a manager who has lost the plot and have shat the bed like it's never been shat before Aberdeen should be finishing 2nd. instead they'll be releived that Livingston got beat today. And they aren't (yet) staring down the barrel of finishing 5th (yet). McInnes should be doing better. I see I’ve reached the ‘nodding sagely and agreeing with Romeo’ stage of the pandemic Take me, COVID 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Frank Grimes said: I see I’ve reached the ‘nodding sagely and agreeing with Romeo’ stage of the pandemic Take me, COVID There is no cure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie adie Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Always find this take a bit wild, tbh. If Aberdeen fans aren't going to be happy until they're challenging for the title every single season, then I guess they'll have a miserable existence. You've got decades of catching up to do. No the diela celtic and lennon side this year were up for taking on but mcinnes did his usual and shat it. Look he is pissed off now at rightly being held to account, he's not slow at giving the press what they want to hear when it suits him, He can't have it both ways, I really hope the final nail has been hammered in his coffin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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