kingjoey Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: I didn't realise it was eye bleeding football or Brazil 1970 football. It’s probably just me, but I don’t understand your post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 There is significant ground between the type of football we are currently playing, and have been for a little while now, and 'Brazil 1970'. The team with the third highest budget in this country is not realistically expected to play like the latter (and nobody is actually saying otherwise, so you are deliberately arguing in bad faith), but should be managing much better than constantly churning out some of the eye-bleeding stuff we have been seeing for a little bit too long now, regardless of the quality of opposition we are coming up against. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, DrewDon said: There is significant ground between the type of football we are currently playing, and have been for a little while now, and 'Brazil 1970'. The team with the third highest budget in this country is not realistically expected to play like the latter (and nobody is actually saying otherwise, so you are deliberately arguing in bad faith), but should be managing much better than constantly churning out some of the eye-bleeding stuff we have been seeing for a little bit too long now, regardless of the quality of opposition we are coming up against. We shouldn't be outplayed by St Mirren, Livi, Dundee and St Johnstone. With all respect to those clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Merkland Red said: We shouldn't be outplayed by St Mirren, Livi, Dundee and St Johnstone. With all respect to those clubs. Indeed. I've said it on here before, but playing like that and getting the results is all well and good, but it is a fine line. If the results turn, it means the fans don't have much - if anything - to cling to from the performances. Sometimes it's high-reward to play like that, such as both victories at Ibrox last season, but I'm not sure it can be justified for the sort of opposition you mention over a prolonged spell, which is what we are now seeing. I can only conclude that they are being coached and instructed to play the way they are at the moment and to take up some of the positions they do. So, although I've never been a staunch 'McInnes out' guy, I'm becoming increasingly sympathetic to the idea that the current direction of travel is unlikely to change while he is in charge. I really hope I can be proved wrong, but I'm not feeling terribly optimistic at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, DrewDon said: Indeed. I've said it on here before, but playing like that and getting the results is all well and good, but it is a fine line. If the results turn, it means the fans don't have much - if anything - to cling to from the performances. Sometimes it's high-reward to play like that, such as both victories at Ibrox last season, but I'm not sure it can be justified for the sort of opposition you mention over a prolonged spell, which is what we are now seeing. I can only conclude that they are being coached and instructed to play the way they are at the moment and to take up some of the positions they do. So, although I've never been a staunch 'McInnes out' guy, I'm becoming increasingly sympathetic to the idea that the current direction of travel is unlikely to change while he is in charge. I really hope I can be proved wrong, but I'm not feeling terribly optimistic at the moment. I was arguing with a wifey on Twitter after the hearts game. Her point was that he isn't asking the players to play so poorly while completely ignoring the fact players are repeatedly playing a direct ball in to Cosgrove in the corner with his nearest team mate being thirty yards away. We're not even playing the ball to him in an area where he might get lucky and get a shot of at goal, purely due to the fact we may lose the second ball and be countered through the middle. Would be interesting to see the female opinion of the managers performance if he didn't look like McInnes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Those league finishes and cup runs are impressive but they were largely "inflated" by Rangers, Hearts and Hibs being shambolic or completely absent. Who else was going to finish second in those seasons? Hamilton? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Those league finishes and cup runs are impressive but they were largely "inflated" by Rangers, Hearts and Hibs being shambolic or completely absent. Who else was going to finish second in those seasons? Hamilton? Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 17 hours ago, kingjoey said: I am no King Dandy, and certainly don’t purport to be. I was frustrated at the result and the predictable reaction from our support. There is no hiding from the fact that it was a terrible result, but I’m not in the vocal minority wanting a change of manager. If people don’t see that Derek McInnes has enough in the bank with his record with us, then nothing I say is going to change their mind. 2013/14 - 3rd, Scottish Cup Semi Final, League Cup Winners, qualified for Europe 2014/15 - 2nd, Scottish Cup 4th Round, League Cup Semi Final, qualified for Europe 2015/16 - 2nd, Scottish Cup 4th Round, League Cup 3rd Round, qualified for Europe 2016/17 - 2nd, Scottish Cup Finalists, League Cup Finalists, qualified for Europe 2017/18 - 2nd, Scottish Cup Semi Final, League Cup Quarter Final, qualified for Europe 2018/19 - 4th, Scottish Cup Semi Final, League Cup Finalists, qualified for Europe. Given that you were 2nd best side in Scotland for these seasons, it's a bit weird that you would use reaching quarter-finals (last 8), and semi-finals (last 4) as achievements. It gets even weirder when you see who you lost to. In 2014/2015 you lost to Dundee and Dundee Utd. 2015/2016 you lost to Hearts and a Championship Hibs side. 2016/2017 you lost to Celtic twice. 2017/2018 you lost to a bottom 6 Motherwell twice, both times 3-0! The 2016/2017 season was fair enough, losing out to an excellent Celtic side. The other seasons show that despite being the 2nd best side Aberdeen consistently messed up against sides they should have beaten. If you take out the Celtic matches, the other 6 matches are all matches where Aberdeen would have ranged from slight favourites to strong favourites to qualify. To lose all 6 is dreadful. To try and spin it as successful is an interesting take, to put it politely. Also, adding 'qualified for Europe' at the end is giving yourself double credit, finishing second gets you Europe, you don't need to write both. It could be summed up as consistent league performances but a very poor cup record. I was shocked to come on here and see people trying to say he has a good cup record. Given the quality of opposition during his time, and who else won trophies during his time, his cup record is terrible. A real missed opportunity in Aberdeen's history to win a few trophies. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Given that you were 2nd best side in Scotland for these seasons, it's a bit weird that you would use reaching quarter-finals (last 8), and semi-finals (last 4) as achievements. It gets even weirder when you see who you lost to. In 2014/2015 you lost to Dundee and Dundee Utd. 2015/2016 you lost to Hearts and a Championship Hibs side. 2016/2017 you lost to Celtic twice. 2017/2018 you lost to a bottom 6 Motherwell twice, both times 3-0! The 2016/2017 season was fair enough, losing out to an excellent Celtic side. The other seasons show that despite being the 2nd best side Aberdeen consistently messed up against sides they should have beaten. If you take out the Celtic matches, the other 6 matches are all matches where Aberdeen would have ranged from slight favourites to strong favourites to qualify. To lose all 6 is dreadful. To try and spin it as successful is an interesting take, to put it politely. Also, adding 'qualified for Europe' at the end is giving yourself double credit, finishing second gets you Europe, you don't need to write both. It could be summed up as consistent league performances but a very poor cup record. I was shocked to come on here and see people trying to say he has a good cup record. Given the quality of opposition during his time, and who else won trophies during his time, his cup record is terrible. A real missed opportunity in Aberdeen's history to win a few trophies. If he has a very poor cup record then besides Celtic who has a good one? There were some games that we did get beaten in games we probably shouldn't have but noone else besides Celtic has reached finals or semi's as consistently so as much criticism that is valid to be thrown at him Aberdeen do not have anything close to a very poor cup record. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) A club with Aberdeen's budget should not be getting tanked 5-0 by Sevco. Edited September 29, 2019 by Snifter Pee Rot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Merkland Red said: We shouldn't be outplayed by St Mirren, Livi, Dundee and St Johnstone. With all respect to those clubs. We weren’t outplayed by St Mirren, Dundee or St Johnstone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCDannyFTH Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 We weren’t outplayed by St Mirren, Dundee or St Johnstone. You obviously never watched the St Mirren game. We were played off the park and were lucky it wasn’t 4-0. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCDannyFTH Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Motherwell.Steven McLean definitely did his part for Motherwell in that last game, as did Langfield being a fanny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, AFCDannyFTH said: You obviously never watched the St Mirren game. We were played off the park and were lucky it wasn’t 4-0. C’mon that’s pretty exaggerated. We were poor and St.Mirren deserved the win but it wasn’t even close to being that wide a score. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, AFCDannyFTH said: You obviously never watched the St Mirren game. We were played off the park and were lucky it wasn’t 4-0. Have missed 1 game only, against Croatians. we had plenty of the ball and nobody would have bat an eye lid if it was a draw. We were though, poor in possession. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: Given that you were 2nd best side in Scotland for these seasons, it's a bit weird that you would use reaching quarter-finals (last 8), and semi-finals (last 4) as achievements. It gets even weirder when you see who you lost to. In 2014/2015 you lost to Dundee and Dundee Utd. 2015/2016 you lost to Hearts and a Championship Hibs side. 2016/2017 you lost to Celtic twice. 2017/2018 you lost to a bottom 6 Motherwell twice, both times 3-0! The 2016/2017 season was fair enough, losing out to an excellent Celtic side. The other seasons show that despite being the 2nd best side Aberdeen consistently messed up against sides they should have beaten. If you take out the Celtic matches, the other 6 matches are all matches where Aberdeen would have ranged from slight favourites to strong favourites to qualify. To lose all 6 is dreadful. To try and spin it as successful is an interesting take, to put it politely. Also, adding 'qualified for Europe' at the end is giving yourself double credit, finishing second gets you Europe, you don't need to write both. It could be summed up as consistent league performances but a very poor cup record. I was shocked to come on here and see people trying to say he has a good cup record. Given the quality of opposition during his time, and who else won trophies during his time, his cup record is terrible. A real missed opportunity in Aberdeen's history to win a few trophies. I wasn’t using getting to quarter finals, or fourth round as a fabulous achievement. All I was doing was putting Derek McInnes record since he came to Aberdeen there for everyone to see. I personally feel that out of six full seasons, four second place finishes in the league, one cup win, three other cup finals, four other semi finals and six out of six qualifications for Europe is a pretty decent record. If anyone disagrees then fair enough, but what the hell are they expecting, realistically? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Snifter Pee Rot said: A club with Aberdeen's budget should not be getting tanked 5-0 by Sevco. No they shouldn’t you’re right. Ok then, move the next manager in because of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, AFCDannyFTH said: You obviously never watched the St Mirren game. We were played off the park and were lucky it wasn’t 4-0. You are having a laugh with that one. We were most certainly outplayed for the first fifteen minutes, but after that controlled the remaining 75 minutes or so, but created nothing until McGinn’s chance in injury time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Danny enjoys being melodramatic I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 hours ago, big al said: We weren’t outplayed by St Mirren, Dundee or St Johnstone. We absolutely were. If you'd like to keep your head buried in the sand that's fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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