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What Julio Grondona, who has been president of the Argentine Football Association (AFA) since 1979, wants, he gets. Those in close proximity have confirmed that Grondona, the man currently second in power at FIFA, hears only two words when laying down his cards: "Yes, Julio". This past week, he heard those two words again as he wielded his power at AFA's weekly executive board meeting. He took the opportunity and managed to change the face of football by implementing a 30-team field in the top flight ... ... The teams that are relegated have a good chance of making it back in the top division by the end of the year. There is also the potential of seeing a team that is currently playing in the Metropolitano B (third division) making a pit stop in the Nacional B before going straight up into the top flight. ... ...

As things stand, there is no plan in place as to how that tournament will be played. ... ... many big clubs lost their protagonist in that last few years. It will be interesting to see how they perform in a different format ... ... critics bashed the change, arguing that it will, once again, favour the big clubs and help them stay up in the top league. ... ... Yet, Grondona knows there is one way to silence his critics – money. This is why he will re-negotiate with Fútbol Para Todos in order to obtain more money for his pet project. He will look to see if he can make the pot bigger and hand over more cash to the clubs. Being in the top flight is no small matter financially. Promoted teams will be earning around €314,000 annually based on television revenue. The big mission for Grondona now is to convince the government to give AFA more money

Regan and Doncaster must be so jealous :lol:!!

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This doesn't need to be complicated - get rid of 'splits' and 'play-offs' which are both nonsense in what is supposed to be league football.

Either have 16-18 like everyone has/used to have or if people start screaming 'bankruptcy' and 'meaningless games' then fine, go back to 10s.

Just get rid of the gimmicks.

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This doesn't need to be complicated - get rid of 'splits' and 'play-offs' which are both nonsense in what is supposed to be league football.

Either have 16-18 like everyone has/used to have or if people start screaming 'bankruptcy' and 'meaningless games' then fine, go back to 10s.

Just get rid of the gimmicks.

Gimmicks :lol:

Speaking of which I see Romania is the latest to abandon the 18 team league; from next year it's 14 splitting after 26 games...and Bulgaria have shaved another couple off their top division and gone to 12.

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What Julio Grondona, who has been president of the Argentine Football Association (AFA) since 1979, wants, he gets. Those in close proximity have confirmed that Grondona, the man currently second in power at FIFA, hears only two words when laying down his cards: "Yes, Julio". This past week, he heard those two words again as he wielded his power at AFA's weekly executive board meeting. He took the opportunity and managed to change the face of football by implementing a 30-team field in the top flight ... ... The teams that are relegated have a good chance of making it back in the top division by the end of the year. There is also the potential of seeing a team that is currently playing in the Metropolitano B (third division) making a pit stop in the Nacional B before going straight up into the top flight. ... ...

As things stand, there is no plan in place as to how that tournament will be played. ... ... many big clubs lost their protagonist in that last few years. It will be interesting to see how they perform in a different format ... ... critics bashed the change, arguing that it will, once again, favour the big clubs and help them stay up in the top league. ... ... Yet, Grondona knows there is one way to silence his critics – money. This is why he will re-negotiate with Fútbol Para Todos in order to obtain more money for his pet project. He will look to see if he can make the pot bigger and hand over more cash to the clubs. Being in the top flight is no small matter financially. Promoted teams will be earning around €314,000 annually based on television revenue. The big mission for Grondona now is to convince the government to give AFA more money

Regan and Doncaster must be so jealous :lol:!!

This what the SPL/SPFL should have done in 2012, a single division of 42 teams because Sevco :lol:

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Across Europe the trend is for reduced sizes, more games and more splits - Cyprus, Israel, Macedonia, Ukraine just some more examples to have done so.

Europe - size of divisions

08 teams ... ###

10 teams ... ##### ##### #

12 teams ... ##### ##### #####

14 teams ... ###

16 teams ... ##### #####

18 teams ... ##### #

20 teams ... ####

Europe - number of rounds

underlined = via split

2 rounds ... ##### ##### ##### ##### #

3 rounds ... ##### #####

4 rounds ... ##### ##### ##### ##### #

Europe - number of games

20 games ... #

21 games ... #

22 games ... #

26 games ... ##

27 games ... #

28 games ... #

30 games ... ##### ###

32 games ... ##### #

33 games ... ##### ##

34 games ... ##### #

36 games ... ##### #####

37 games ... #

38 games ... ##### #

40 games ... #

*Belarus are expanding from 12 to 14 next season

*Greece are reducing from 18 to 16 next season

*Romania are reducing from 18 to 14 next season

*San Marino not incluced in above figures. All their clubs are divided into 2 groups and play clubs in their own group x2, and in the other group x1, for a total of 21 or 22 games. There is then a title playoff.

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Across Europe the trend is for reduced sizes, more games and more splits - Cyprus, Israel, Macedonia, Ukraine just some more examples to have done so.

Europe - size of divisions

08 teams ... ###

10 teams ... ##### ##### #

12 teams ... ##### ##### #####

14 teams ... ###

16 teams ... ##### #####

18 teams ... ##### #

20 teams ... ####

Europe - number of rounds

underlined = via split

2 rounds ... ##### ##### ##### ##### #

3 rounds ... ##### #####

4 rounds ... ##### ##### ##### ##### #

Europe - number of games

20 games ... #

21 games ... #

22 games ... #

26 games ... ##

27 games ... #

28 games ... #

30 games ... ##### ###

32 games ... ##### #

33 games ... ##### ##

34 games ... ##### #

36 games ... ##### #####

37 games ... #

38 games ... ##### #

40 games ... #

*Belarus are expanding from 12 to 14 next season

*Greece are reducing from 18 to 16 next season

*Romania are reducing from 18 to 14 next season

*San Marino not incluced in above figures. All their clubs are divided into 2 groups and play clubs in their own group x2, and in the other group x1, for a total of 21 or 22 games. There is then a title playoff.

All I can see is hashmarks!? :o

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Seems the situation with Crimea forced the Ukraine to scale back from 16 going by the wikipedia page. A couple of different formats were apparently discussed and going by the promotion/relegation they'll be sticking with 14 next year too.

Curious to see if they decide to expand again once things have settled.

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I was interested to see that the Portuguese top league expanded back to 18 "after the Court's rule to nullify Boavista's relegation from the Primeira Liga in the 2007-08 season". Anyone know the story behind that, and why it took 6yrs?!?!

It was reduced from 18 to 16 for 2006-07 - with a League Cup added to make-up the difference. However they seem to have kept the League Cup this season too. Their 2nd tier was shrunk from 18 to 16 at the same time but it has now swelled to a monster 24 clubs (46 games) this season, having gone up to 22 clubs for 2012-13.

Few leagues of any kind in Europe play more than 38 games - Belgian top division; English lower levels; Italian, Spanish and now Portuguese 2nd tiers?

Seems the situation with Crimea forced the Ukraine to scale back from 16 going by the wikipedia page. A couple of different formats were apparently discussed and going by the promotion/relegation they'll be sticking with 14 next year too.

Curious to see if they decide to expand again once things have settled.

I notice they've made their Cup over 2-legs in Last 16, QFs & SFs, presumably to make-up for the 4 fewer matches.

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Maybe. But I also think clubs' finances would be more sustainable with an Autumn-Spring format, as there would be payments from the league at the end of each Autumn and of each Spring season (based on final league position), which would help financial planning and keep heads above water.

Anyway, attached is an updated fixtures schedule for 2015-16, with templates for possible cup formats and all-through financial model. Have a go at changing them for yourself; i've worked in a few of the changes i'd like to see:

- Sat-Wed-Sat start and finish to each season, to add intensity and make the league more dynamic;

- Challenge Cup on Saturdays of internationals to give it more attention, increase crowds, and spread rounds more evenly over the season; with the final an early kick-off on Scottish Cup final day for the same reasons;

- League Cup matches on Saturdays to give them more attention and boost crowds; final in December, so more of a short, sharp competition;

- Scottish Cup more of a truly national affair, with increasing numbers of seniors, juniors and amateurs in the draw, so involving more Scottish communities...

2015-16.Fixtures.Etc.xls

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Maybe. But I also think clubs' finances would be more sustainable with an Autumn-Spring format, as there would be payments from the league at the end of each Autumn and of each Spring season (based on final league position), which would help financial planning and keep heads above water.

Anyway, attached is an updated fixtures schedule for 2015-16, with templates for possible cup formats and all-through financial model. Have a go at changing them for yourself; i've worked in a few of the changes i'd like to see:

- Sat-Wed-Sat start and finish to each season, to add intensity and make the league more dynamic;

- Challenge Cup on Saturdays of internationals to give it more attention, increase crowds, and spread rounds more evenly over the season; with the final an early kick-off on Scottish Cup final day for the same reasons;

- League Cup matches on Saturdays to give them more attention and boost crowds; final in December, so more of a short, sharp competition;

- Scottish Cup more of a truly national affair, with increasing numbers of seniors, juniors and amateurs in the draw, so involving more Scottish communities...

Is anyone going to look at this, except maybe Hibee?
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I was interested to see that the Portuguese top league expanded back to 18 "after the Court's rule to nullify Boavista's relegation from the Primeira Liga in the 2007-08 season". Anyone know the story behind that, and why it took 6yrs?!?!

It was reduced from 18 to 16 for 2006-07 - with a League Cup added to make-up the difference. However they seem to have kept the League Cup this season too. Their 2nd tier was shrunk from 18 to 16 at the same time but it has now swelled to a monster 24 clubs (46 games) this season, having gone up to 22 clubs for 2012-13.

Few leagues of any kind in Europe play more than 38 games - Belgian top division; English lower levels; Italian, Spanish and now Portuguese 2nd tiers?

I notice they've made their Cup over 2-legs in Last 16, QFs & SFs, presumably to make-up for the 4 fewer matches.

*dramatic music* Corruption! Bribing refs (or attempts to) and six years because lawyers, fees, "money for old rope"

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What Julio Grondona, who has been president of the Argentine Football Association (AFA) since 1979, wants, he gets. Those in close proximity have confirmed that Grondona, the man currently second in power at FIFA, hears only two words when laying down his cards: "Yes, Julio". This past week, he heard those two words again as he wielded his power at AFA's weekly executive board meeting. He took the opportunity and managed to change the face of football by implementing a 30-team field in the top flight ... ... The teams that are relegated have a good chance of making it back in the top division by the end of the year. There is also the potential of seeing a team that is currently playing in the Metropolitano B (third division) making a pit stop in the Nacional B before going straight up into the top flight. ... ...

As things stand, there is no plan in place as to how that tournament will be played. ... ... many big clubs lost their protagonist in that last few years. It will be interesting to see how they perform in a different format ... ... critics bashed the change, arguing that it will, once again, favour the big clubs and help them stay up in the top league. ... ... Yet, Grondona knows there is one way to silence his critics – money. This is why he will re-negotiate with Fútbol Para Todos in order to obtain more money for his pet project. He will look to see if he can make the pot bigger and hand over more cash to the clubs. Being in the top flight is no small matter financially. Promoted teams will be earning around €314,000 annually based on television revenue. The big mission for Grondona now is to convince the government to give AFA more money

Regan and Doncaster must be so jealous :lol:!!

Grondona has kicked the bucket and the big clubs have wasted no time in dismantling his plans although, too late for next season.

Plans are already afoot to change the mess, but with planning at such an advanced stage it is too late to cancel the idea outright.

Instead, Argentina will take five years to rectify the mess, relegating four sides every year whilst only promoting two.

Makes the running of our game look exemplary by comparison but Grondona must have been a seriosuly scary fucker to get this shite voted through in the first place (allegedly in a public vote where the Primera chairmen were unwilling to be seen voting against the guy)

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Sounds bizarre.

What chance they actually spend 5yrs slowly reducing the division from this shambles back to something sensible? Every season there would be differing numbers of games, or different splits needed, and so on. Wonder if they mightn't lose patience after a while.

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Sounds bizarre.

What chance they actually spend 5yrs slowly reducing the division from this shambles back to something sensible? Every season there would be differing numbers of games, or different splits needed, and so on. Wonder if they mightn't lose patience after a while.

It will, of course, depend on the money. The TV companies are not impressed apparently and neither are the fans by all accounts. If things decline quickly I'd imagine the league will be cut back pretty quickly too.

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The fall-out from Argentina's 30 team league proposal has taken a dark, sinister turn. According to the Buenos Aires Herald there is a breakaway "group of 10 [big] clubs" making all sorts of threatening noises - it can't end well, they're leaving themselves open to a Doncaster or a Regan...

edit cuz I can't spell Buenos Aires...well, I can now but didn't then

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