bendan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Alternatively, perhaps they just prefer to be a part of the union. This idea of people being "too scared" by independence strikes me as a convenient excuse for the Yes camp to wheel out if/when it is a no vote. It's almost as if nobody is allowed to have a different opinion. I agree that there's a problem with No supporters just getting shouted down or insulted. I would actually like to hear people calmly explaining why they would prefer to be part of the 'union'. Maybe H_B could post something that wasn't just a response to someone else's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Alternatively, perhaps they just prefer to be a part of the union. This idea of people being "too scared" by independence strikes me as a convenient excuse for the Yes camp to wheel out if/when it is a no vote. It's almost as if nobody is allowed to have a different opinion. Are you leaning that way? If so would you be willing to expand on your reasoning why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 If we don't get independence how long could it be until there is another referendum? Would there even be another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Are you leaning that way? If so would you be willing to expand on your reasoning why? I am leaning that way and it's for utterly selfish reasons. I'm in a fairly comfortable position and have my career prospects well mapped-out. I don't see any benefit to putting that on the line with the uncertainty (and there is uncertainty before people starting screaming about negativity) that a "yes" vote would bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think people forget how remarkable it is that we are having this referendum. It's the scarcely believable incompetence of all three mainstream UK parties in Scotland that allowed the SNP to win a majority at Holyrood, so I don't know if the circumstances can be easily recreated in the future. Nobody else wanted us to have this vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I am leaning that way and it's for utterly selfish reasons. I'm in a fairly comfortable position and have my career prospects well mapped-out. I don't see any benefit to putting that on the line with the uncertainty (and there is uncertainty before people starting screaming about negativity) that a "yes" vote would bring. There is uncertainty in a No vote as well though. Just as there is potential in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I agree that there's a problem with No supporters just getting shouted down or insulted. I would actually like to hear people calmly explaining why they would prefer to be part of the 'union'. Maybe H_B could post something that wasn't just a response to someone else's post. I have done on many many occasions on this website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Alternatively, perhaps they just prefer to be a part of the union. This idea of people being "too scared" by independence strikes me as a convenient excuse for the Yes camp to wheel out if/when it is a no vote. It's almost as if nobody is allowed to have a different opinion. I am leaning that way and it's for utterly selfish reasons. I'm in a fairly comfortable position and have my career prospects well mapped-out. I don't see any benefit to putting that on the line with the uncertainty (and there is uncertainty before people starting screaming about negativity) that a "yes" vote would bring. What about your children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Don't have any yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Don't have any yet. You might do some day, also what about other family members or friends who don't have it all sorted like you do? Stuff them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plugin Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Despite what the polls say, I'm pretty optimistic of a yes vote. The polls for me are a way to keep my optimism in check though. If there is a no vote I'll be pretty disappointed but at the end of the day life's treating me OK just now so there's no reason to believe that will change too dramatically post no. If your life is crummy just now I can imagine a yes vote being a big deal to hold onto (that's not to say all yes voters have a crummy life before you jump down my throat) but for these people life isn't going to change too dramatically post yes as divergent policies may take years to properly implement and possibly decades to see substantial results from. Cue word salad accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 You might do some day, also what about other family members or friends who don't have it all sorted like you do? Stuff them? Well, no, because voting yes isn't a guarantee that all things will come up rosy with 100% employment on £30k+ a year, just like voting no isn't a guarantee of 100% unemployment and people drinking their own piss to stay alive. (Those things could equally be turned around, as could your post - who's to say that a "yes" vote isn't the equivalent of "stuff em"?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Well, no, because voting yes isn't a guarantee that all things will come up rosy with 100% employment on £30k+ a year, just like voting no isn't a guarantee of 100% unemployment and people drinking their own piss to stay alive. (Those things could equally be turned around, as could your post - who's to say that a "yes" vote isn't the equivalent of "stuff em"?) Scotland would be one of the richest nations in Europe, so I highly doubt it. Carry on anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Scotland would be one of the richest nations in Europe, so I highly doubt it. Carry on anyway. "Would"? That's a very bold claim to make. Can you provide evidence to support it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 "Would"? That's a very bold claim to make. Can you provide evidence to support it? Oh god, not another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham89 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I'll be gutted should this happen but my life won't change so I can hardly be angry? One vote won't change my mind, brush it off and prepare for the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 "Would"? That's a very bold claim to make. Can you provide evidence to support it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 One thing I would like to see in the event of a No vote is a moratorium on Scottish Labour voters, activists and politicians moaning the next time the Tories with a general election, given that by rejecting independence they are rejecting the notion that their own votes should mean anything and are instead giving over that power exclusively to the English electorate to decide for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 "Would"? That's a very bold claim to make. Can you provide evidence to support it? If you're not convinced then this is a pretty good video to watch for quite a basic outline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 "Would"? That's a very bold claim to make. Can you provide evidence to support it? http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-an-independent-scotland-could-become-the-richest-country-on-earth-9096120.html http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/10-key-economic-facts-that-prove-scotland-will-be-a-wealthy-independent-nation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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