@ yes supporters: How will you react if the result is no

[Tio Pepe]

Because it's ONLY Yes voters that dish out gratuitous insults isn't it?

The point Lichtie correctly made is that there are a lot of No voters mewling about a lack of answers, then when they are referred to a place where their questions may be answered, they steadfastly refuse to have a look.

It's narrow minded, childish and churlish.

Where in my post did I suggest that? It's quite clear that I was referring to both sides.

Whoever said previously that the debate is becoming like a Celtic and Rangers debate got it right. Dogma, insults and whataboutery trumping reason, fact and adult debate.

[Ross.]

And I don't see any reawakening of working class politics with a Yes vote either.

Which party in iScotland is going to deliver this?

It might not be a "Reawakening" for working class or socialist politics, but it will show that big changes are possible and hopefully inspire folk elsewhere in the UK to demand more for their local areas rather than leave things as they are with the existing London centric set up.

[forever_blue]

Don't try and disguise your reason for voting No as anything other than "because I'm a Rangers fan".

It doesn't work.

This is why i am fed up with this debate, reasonable arguements just seem to go out the window. what has my feelings on feeling more in common with the english working class than the scottish upper classes got to do with me supporting rangers ? please explain

[Broccoli Dog]

Don't worry, the Scottish upper classes are voting No as well.

[Mr Bairn]

Yes voters just hate rich people, don't they?

[forever_blue]

I think this is an excellent point and it's difficult if not impossible to argue against because it comes down to your personal identity and connection.

But, I would describe myself as Scottish working-class. I'm not basing my vote on this personal identity, as such, it's partly based also on a belief that an independent Scotland would be able to deliver a better form of politics for the whole country.

I'm not convinced that a No vote will improve the politics for the people with which you find common identity. I also don't see much prospect for a re-awakening of working-class politics in the UK with a No vote. Quite the opposite, I would guess. Also, considering it is your individual feeling and connection, I'm not convinced that would necessarily be cut-off with a Yes vote.

to be honest i am not basing my vote on this fact I was just responding to the fact that someone made a point on how he feels he has no connection to some rich southern Englander who thinks we are just scroungers up North, my point being I agree but also feel more in common with the working classes in England than I do some rich scottish person who thinks we are all scroungers .

[1320Lichtie]

Yes voters just hate rich people, don't they?

No

[Mr Bairn]

No

It seems like a lot of people use "upper class unionism" as a reason to vote yes, in the same way that the left use "upper class Tories" as a reason not to vote Tory. Who died and made working class people demi-Gods?

[Confidemus]

This is why i am fed up with this debate, reasonable arguements just seem to go out the window. what has my feelings on feeling more in common with the english working class than the scottish upper classes got to do with me supporting rangers ? please explain

You are aware that this is a Scottish referendum aren't you?

If it were a working class referendum I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The only thing we can affect in this vote is Scotland as a whole. With that in mind, you have an opportunity to try to make a change for Scottish working class people.

The question therefore is: Why wouldn't you?

[Blaven]

It seems like a lot of people use "upper class unionism" as a reason to vote yes, in the same way that the left use "upper class Tories" as a reason not to vote Tory. Who died and made working class people demi-Gods?

You do realise your debunking the reason that labour tell us to vote NO, dont you?

[ICTChris]

My original reply to this OP was to say that I would move to mainland Europe. I still think I may do so, it will certainly be more likely with a No vote as I'm certain I'd want to participate fully in the future development of Scotland should Yes win. As moving would take some months to organise, I've settled on adapting a tattoo I have, just as a sort of statement. The text above the tattoo says ''Proud Scot''. Anyway, if there is a no vote, I am going to have added - ''Shamed by my brethren 18/09/2014''

You MUST post a photograph of this if the result is No. It'll outdo that Bankies hand tat.

[Mr Bairn]

You are aware that this is a Scottish referendum aren't you?

If it were a working class referendum I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The only thing we can affect in this vote is Scotland as a whole. With that in mind, you have an opportunity to try to make a change for Scottish working class people.

The question therefore is: Why wouldn't you?

Why is fucking everything about the working class? Dear God.

[Mr Bairn]

You do realise your debunking the reason that labour tell us to vote NO, dont you?

^^^ Seething

[Confidemus]

Why is fucking everything about the working class? Dear God.

You seem upset/ word salad/ u mad bro, etc, etc.

Take your pick, Godzookie.

[Mr Bairn]

You seem upset/ word salad/ u mad bro, etc, etc.

Take your pick, Godzookie.

^^^ Word salad.

[forever_blue]

You are aware that this is a Scottish referendum aren't you?

If it were a working class referendum I'd agree with you. But it isn't. The only thing we can affect in this vote is Scotland as a whole. With that in mind, you have an opportunity to try to make a change for Scottish working class people.

The question therefore is: Why wouldn't you?

but again you have completely missed the fact that you claimed this had something to do with my football team , which it clearly does not and in the end has ended up making you look a bit tedious.

my vote is not based on my class status the point I made was in response to someone claiming they have no connection to any upper class englishman and i replied i feel the same way regarding upper class scottishmen and woman, swings and roundabouts.

[Confidemus]

but again you have completely missed the fact that you claimed this had something to do with my football team , which it clearly does not and in the end has ended up making you look a bit tedious.

my vote is not based on my class status the point I made was in response to someone claiming they have no connection to any upper class englishman and i replied i feel the same way regarding upper class scottishmen and woman, swings and roundabouts.

In case you mistake me, I firmly believe your vote has everything to do with your football team. Anything else from you is smoke and mirrors. IMO.

Unless you want to actually explain why you're voting No. I suspect you won't.

[Taza]

Why would someone refer to an assertion-ridden, biased pile of largely nonsense if they are looking for answers?

People are saying Yes Scotland have not supplied answers. They have supplied answers and most of these answers are backed up by independent analysis. Where are the BT answers? and who is providing them? The BT side is presented continuously by the MSM and without any checking for factual accuracy, as has been shown time and again.

I read everything I see from from the BT side and am more than satisfied that my vote is an informed one and the correct choice. It would be easier to take a No result, if I believed that those voting no, had made an effort to ensure that they had looked at the Yes side of the argument in as much detail and could honestly say the same. Unfortunately, I meet people everyday that prove to me, that this is not and will not be the case.

A large swathe of the current BT support, will not accept anything from the Yes side unless it is printed as fact in the Daily Mail/Record/Express/Sun and featured on every radio/Tv bulletin from The BBC. Finally, I get to call other people sheep as an insult.

[Blaven]

Why would someone refer to an assertion-ridden, biased pile of largely nonsense if they are looking for answers?

Oh please. Keep religion out of this.

[Taza]

And I don't see any reawakening of working class politics with a Yes vote either.

Which party in iScotland is going to deliver this?

There will be a shake-up of all the current political parties after indy and quite probably the creation of others. There is plenty scope for a proper socialist party in Scotland.

In case you mistake me, I firmly believe your vote has everything to do with your football team. Anything else from you is smoke and mirrors. IMO.

Unless you want to actually explain why you're voting No. I suspect you won't.

I have directly asked several supporters of that club to give me an explanation of why they are voting no and am still waiting on responce. I also posted an open letter on their sub-forum, a few months ago, inviting any Rangers fan to present ''a reasoned and logical explanation of why we should vote no''. I didn't get one. That said, I do know and know of Rangers fans, who will be voting Yes but it would seem correct to believe the majority will be voting no.

If there is a no vote, I will take every opportunity to remind and shame every no voter I know, as the consequences of their action/inaction begin to bite.