Tom McB Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ukraine had always been culturally linked to Russia. The language is almost identical to Russian. Excellent, so Salmond should f'ck off with his referendum on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Really , source please. Not that I'm calling you a liar or gullible but unsourced quotes give that impresssion. An email one of the boys on an extremely small forum I aquaint received........he is ex Brit Army and currently does that stuff................ gets ripped for it, considering what the forum is though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 ^^ the current plea for 'our' thugs to back 'em up...... $500 a day ish Titushka will get paid about £20 for their escapades. A few of them attacked protestors in Kharkiv tonight in the metro, no serious injuries reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Titushka will get paid about £20 for their escapades. A few of them attacked protestors in Kharkiv tonight in the metro, no serious injuries reported. And quite possibly paid by the EU...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 And quite possibly paid by the EU...... Titushka were/are paid by Yanukovych's mob to attack the pro EU protestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Titushka were/are paid by Yanukovych's mob to attack the pro EU protestors. Not necessarily............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 An email one of the boys on an extremely small forum I aquaint received........he is ex Brit Army and currently does that stuff................ gets ripped for it, considering what the forum is though Fair enough, give us a link to the forum. We don't want people to think you're lying now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Not necessarily............... They have been drafted from the east and south, where of course the pro-Russian strong holds are. It will be the next situation to keep tabs on, protests in Donetsk and Sevastopol today and it won't be the last. Hopefully these will be peaceful and properly policed (as strange as that sounds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Fair enough, give us a link to the forum. We don't want people to think you're lying now. pm sent for a general view.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Ukraine had always been culturally linked to Russia. The language is almost identical to Russian. No it isn't. Both use Cyrillic (with different letters and emphases) but Ukrainian has far more similarities with Polish than Russian. Culturally as well, and these 'cultural links' (which to be honest I'm kind of sceptical of) were only really extended by the incorporation of the Soviet Union. Historically Ukraine was far more linked with Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 All three seem to be reasonably mutually intelligible. Have watched people speak to each other using the various possible combinations on that. By contrast I've had to serve as a translator between a geriatric Shetland crofter and an English ornothologist, so it makes me wonder whether the gulf between English and broad Scots is bigger than that between Russian and Ukrainian. From the outside looking in have to wonder whether the best way to go would be a Czech-Slovak style velvet divorce. What will happen now is the pro-EU side will win in May, but the electorate will swing back to a pro-Russian orientation when EU aid is less lavish than hoped for (that's what happened after the Orange Revolution when the EU basically told Ukraine to take a hike). Ditch the Donbass and Crimea and the pro-EU orientation would become more stable and enduring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 pm sent for a general view.... Cheers, wee chat with ex army chap. Looks like a bodyguard for a business man or some such. Was initially cynical because I could not see any confirmation on ARSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 They are separate languages, although they came from the same root (Old East Slavic). Ukrainian is 60% lexically similar to Russian and 70% to Polish - in the same ball park to the lexical similarity of English to German and Dutch respectively which also had a common ancestor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebeneezer Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 No it isn't. Both use Cyrillic (with different letters and emphases) but Ukrainian has far more similarities with Polish than Russian. Culturally as well, and these 'cultural links' (which to be honest I'm kind of sceptical of) were only really extended by the incorporation of the Soviet Union. Historically Ukraine was far more linked with Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. There is very little language barrier between The Ukraine and Russia. You can think of it as being some sort of Slavic dialect continuum. Polish is a bit further removed (Czech even more so) but still mutually intelligible to a certain extent. Basically, these peoples have a lot in common. The Lithuanian language is of course totally different, beinmg neither Slavic nor Germanic but rather a law unto itself, like Hungarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Ukrainians understand Polish if someone was to speak to them but wouldn't know how to reply. Same vise versa I would imagine. I've found Russian far more harder to learn than Ukrainian. I'd love to learn the Polish alphabet so I could read it, I made a right arse of myself trying to pronounce Rzerzow and Przemyśl when trying to book a train ticket once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Ukrainians understand Polish if someone was to speak to them but wouldn't know how to reply. Same vise versa I would imagine. I've found Russian far more harder to learn than Ukrainian. I'd love to learn the Polish alphabet so I could read it, I made a right arse of myself trying to pronounce Rzerzow and Przemyśl when trying to book a train ticket once. It's pronounced PMSL mate. Is there not a contest each year for non-native Poles to write / speak long excerpts of Polish, and nobody has ever got it 100% correct? Could be an urban myth tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It's pronounced PMSL mate. Is there not a contest each year for non-native Poles to write / speak long excerpts of Polish, and nobody has ever got it 100% correct? Could be an urban myth tbh. Yeah a Polish girl in a hostel finally told me how to say it correctly. First and last letters are stressed to f**k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah a Polish girl in a hostel finally told me how to say it correctly. First and last letters are stressed to f**k. Oh right. I was being sarcastic ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Oh right. I was being sarcastic ... Thought so but it's not far off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Does Russia need Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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