phasma ex machina Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Ukraine’s security service has announced it is launching a counter-terror operation. Radicals have seized over 1,500 firing arms and 100,000 bullets in the last 24 hours, the service said. This is going to get very very Lionel tonight. Russia can't let the protesters win, there is too much at stake with it being pivotal in their version of the EU due to launch next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 ... Ritchie? Unsure as to the relevance tbh. Ukraine has shown itself to be a complete bin of a country and will hopefully be swallowed up like Belarus in the Russian orbit. Europe doesn't want nor need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I wonder if the guy who was on here a few weeks ago talking about setting up a tour guide business in Lviv has had second thoughts yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 ... Ritchie? Unsure as to the relevance tbh. Ukraine has shown itself to be a complete bin of a country and will hopefully be swallowed up like Belarus in the Russian orbit. Europe doesn't want nor need it. Europe 'wants' it as if they come into their sphere, it stops Russia's vision of an Eurasian Union forming stone dead. Of which Belaraus would be a bit player behind Russia. ETA.... misread your post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Sacking the head of the army and replacing him with the head of the navy suggests that Tianamen Square style orders were issued and disobeyed and looks like one last desperate roll of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Sacking the head of the army and replacing him with the head of the navy suggests that Tianamen Square style orders were issued and disobeyed and looks like one last desperate roll of the dice. Don't think so..... The protesters in the main seem to be right wing Ultras combined with the usual loony students wanting Westernisation, but they have no ''plan'', apart from to riot. If the Ukraine can't handle them, Putin will go in, and hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Truce agreed apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In a lot of western Ukrainian cities the security forces have been overrun by the demonstrators who now have access to their weapons. The media focus is on Kiev, but that's only part of what's happening. Suspect the armed forces won't have the stomach for doing what they would need to do to keep Yanukovych in power but the next few hours may prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Truce agreed apparently. Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich and opposition leaders agreed to a truce following a meeting which focused on how to end the crisis in Ukraine peacefully, the president’s press office confirmed. "Following the meeting, the parties announced: 1. Truce 2. The start of negotiations to end the bloodshed, to stabilize the situation in the country, for the sake of civil peace,” the press office stated. Earlier, Batkivshchyna opposition party leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk announced the same thing, according to the party's press office. He stressed that the government was planning to declare state of emergency and a night assault on Independence Square, which has now been canceled. “The planned assault and clearing off protesters is canceled. A truce has been declared and talks will start to stabilize the situation,” Yatsenyuk said. He won't back down, there can be do democratic solution as the Dictatorship has been agreed with Putin, soooooooooo.................... it will go breests up in the next day or so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In a lot of western Ukrainian cities the security forces have been overrun by the demonstrators who now have access to their weapons. The media focus is on Kiev, but that's only part of what's happening. Suspect the armed forces won't have the stomach for doing what they would need to do to keep Yanukovych in power but the next few hours may prove me wrong. That's true, and a few weeks ago the government buildings in eastern cities like Kharkiv and Zaporizhya were being take over. Activists have over ran the police in Lviv it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Don't think so..... The protesters in the main seem to be right wing Ultras combined with the usual loony students wanting Westernisation, but they have no ''plan'', apart from to riot. If the Ukraine can't handle them, Putin will go in, and hard. Truce agreed apparently.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Activists have over ran the police in Lviv it seems. I misread and was waiting for police to get run over. Gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Truce agreed apparently. Well, THAT lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Think the leaders on both sides no longer really have full control. The weird thing is that Kiev linguistically and culturally is one of the more Russian parts of Ukraine. The real hotbeds of nationalism are further west and the government has totally lost control there. If they tried to regain it by force you are quickly looking at a European version of Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some of the pictures and footage coming out are utterly terrifying. The Vice video is pretty mental looking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 What the fu ... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=63e_1392815494 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 If the Ukraine can't handle them, Putin will go in, and hard. in a completely hetrosexual manner of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Nope.One of life's lessons I've long since learned: Don't open liveleak links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 anyboday care to explain what the ins and outs are here from what I found out the west of Ukraine is pro eu and in the majority whereas east are in minority and in russia's back pockets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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