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On ‎12‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 10:24, garrellburn said:

Questions that remain unanswered:

1. Is the money from the sale of Adamslie (the Stadium) in the bank, and how much of it has already been spent.

2. Is there anything left of the money they received for the sale of the social club site.

3. How much longer are Cumbernauld (George Watson) prepared to have them at Guys Meadow, bearing in mind that it is also having a serious impact on their ability to get games played.

4. Is the Rossvale ground an option they would consider, bearing in mind its very limited spectator accommodation, lack of covered area, no easily accessible toilet facility, no catering  facilities. If it was, I would think they would be looking at it already.

5. Are their any other availabe options in the immediate area. Broadwood? Already got Clyde and Cumbernauld Colts.  Ashfield? It seems not.  Petershill? Now that Rossvale are gone, why not? Duncansfield? They already have approached us , but bearing in mind the damage that would be done to a grass pitch we did not accept their offer, we can live without it.

Like many others, I fear for their future , they were always our biggest rivals, but to see them disappear would be a disaster.

Answers from the info I have from a mate who lives in Kirky and has pals who watch the Rabs.

1, Yes, there is seemingly over £1 million from the sale of the ground to be put into the new build, and afaik that money from the sale of the actual ground is untouched.

2. Yes but not much, as a lot of that money has been used to keep the club going over the last few years.

3. Nobody at Cumbernauld has mentioned any desire for the Rabs to leave, but it has obviously been detrimental to Cumbernauld on the pitch to have them as tenants.

4. Probably not, as some of their league crowds would be too big (e.g. v Pollok and Talbot) and the games would have to be moved, and cup ties too depending on the opposition.

5. They were very close to moving to Petershill last summer, but afaik it was the fans who wanted to stay at Guys Meadow. 

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Just looking back at the thread from last year..

Note that it says that stage 1 was supposed to be funded entirely by Rob Roy, so is it the case that if permission is granted for them to use the land then there shouldn't be much difference in the original phase 1?

Feeling in the town seems to be that some councillors now think the land could/should be sold off for more money rather than granting it to the Rabs to build on. 

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8 hours ago, peasy23 said:

Just looking back at the thread from last year..

Note that it says that stage 1 was supposed to be funded entirely by Rob Roy, so is it the case that if permission is granted for them to use the land then there shouldn't be much difference in the original phase 1?

Feeling in the town seems to be that some councillors now think the land could/should be sold off for more money rather than granting it to the Rabs to build on. 

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

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21 minutes ago, GLESGABOY said:

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

Yes (If Altior wins tomorrow).

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1 hour ago, GLESGABOY said:

The development above was supposed to be for Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club not KRR. KRR are/were members of KCSC along with several other sports clubs. The funding for this was coming from the council and KRR were contributing. The second phase was  supposed to be funded by obtaining access to funding from Sports Scotland, Lottery etc etc. The council were putting in circa £1 million pounds for the first phase, are KRR sitting with that type of money in the bank?

From that other thread...

"The first phase will be funded by Rob Roy while the first phase is being built the club will be seeking funding from different bodies (this process has been ongoing for a while) to finish off phase two .

 

Single storey Community Sports Facility building with a full size 3G Sports Pitch, Multi-purpose Sports Pitch (3 sevens pitches) , community building with changing facilities and associated car and bus parking.

The development will be delivered in phases;

Phase 1 - Latest FIFA approved 3G Pitch, 500 seated covered Stand, car/bus park and single storey building with Social club facilities and Changing rooms.

Phase 2 - Multi-purpose sports pitch, double height Community hall and upper floor Community facilities."

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2 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

From that other thread...

"The first phase will be funded by Rob Roy while the first phase is being built the club will be seeking funding from different bodies (this process has been ongoing for a while) to finish off phase two .

 

Single storey Community Sports Facility building with a full size 3G Sports Pitch, Multi-purpose Sports Pitch (3 sevens pitches) , community building with changing facilities and associated car and bus parking.

The development will be delivered in phases;

Phase 1 - Latest FIFA approved 3G Pitch, 500 seated covered Stand, car/bus park and single storey building with Social club facilities and Changing rooms.

Phase 2 - Multi-purpose sports pitch, double height Community hall and upper floor Community facilities."

NobRoy Guy also finally admits on the thread somewhere that the council were funding it to the tune of £1 million and that KRR weren`t funding it. The planning etc was all submitted by Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club and not KRR. The funding for phase 2 was subject to the successful completion and operation of a community venture that was inclusive for the other minority sports groups that are also members of KCSC. I`m guessing that KCSC will now be wound up and the £233k that KRR had donated to them will now be returned to KRR. So they have £233k to be starting with...............

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13 hours ago, GLESGABOY said:

NobRoy Guy also finally admits on the thread somewhere that the council were funding it to the tune of £1 million and that KRR weren`t funding it. The planning etc was all submitted by Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club and not KRR. The funding for phase 2 was subject to the successful completion and operation of a community venture that was inclusive for the other minority sports groups that are also members of KCSC. I`m guessing that KCSC will now be wound up and the £233k that KRR had donated to them will now be returned to KRR. So they have £233k to be starting with...............

And in terms of building a ground from scratch £233k will hardly do the groundwork and drainage for the pitch, let alone buy the actual playing surface.

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Statement below is on the club website:

The proposed development of the Southbank site under the banner of Kirkintilloch Community Sports Club (KCSC), of which Rob Roy was one of the founder members, can no longer be supported by East Dunbartonshire Council (EDC). This is due to KCSC being unable to deliver on the full funding package.

An open marketing exercise for the site will now be conducted by EDC. Offers from interested parties must be consistent with the approved and acceptable use classes and must support the delivery of the Local Outcome Improvement Plan.
 
Rob Roy now has the opportunity to bid for the site and develop its own community football facility.
Please can everyone seize this opportunity and lend their support to our application by signing our petition and raising awareness amongst the local community and businesses.
 
A Members' meeting will be arranged in due course. I will also set up a Q&A session for supporters.
 
Neil Anderson
President
 
Anyone wishing to sign the petition to East Dunbartonshire Council can do so here: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RobRoysReturnHome
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Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -

  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?

The Roy really should be back home.

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Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -
  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?
The Roy really should be back home.
As I posted further up, the original plan involved the council granting the land to the project, but feeling in the town now seems to be that many councillors think they should sell it to the highest bidder, and if the Rabs can't afford that then tough. I've no idea if there are any restrictions on the site whether it would even be an option for a housebuilder or not. There is/was a cement works at the back end of the site but it is just basically wasteland at the moment.
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1 hour ago, peasy23 said:

As I posted further up, the original plan involved the council granting the land to the project, but feeling in the town now seems to be that many councillors think they should sell it to the highest bidder, and if the Rabs can't afford that then tough. I've no idea if there are any restrictions on the site whether it would even be an option for a housebuilder or not. There is/was a cement works at the back end of the site but it is just basically wasteland at the moment.

And its highly polluted wasteland at that.  Strewn with asbestos sheeting, concrete, tyres, oil pollution; you name it, its all there. The cleanup costs alone will run into hundreds of thousands.  I think it rather unlikely a residential development will be an option. 

It is the best place for a new sports facility but there are already all weather, floodlit 5 a sides pitches both at the sports/swimming pool centre not far away, and at Bishopbriggs leisuredrome only about 4 miles distant which might limit the earning potential of the same thing at the canal bank.

It really is an unholy mess and I wonder just how much longer they can carry on.

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3 hours ago, Jason King said:

Not knowing the ins and outs of EDC -

  1. are the council likely to gift the land to the Roy for them to fund the new ground themselves? OR
  2. are the council going to make the Roy buy the land for the new ground? OR
  3. are the council more likely to sell it off to the house builder (or similar) that gives them the most money? OR
  4. a different option?

The Roy really should be back home.

The answer is contained within the councils statement. The land is going to the open market. There`s no question of them gifting anything. Their involvement ended as soon as it was confirmed that there would be a massive shortfall in funding. If KRR want the land they will have to be the highest bidder on an open market basis. EDC haven`t shafted them. The EDC funding commitment was conditional on the balance required to deliver the project being funded out to completion. Their business plan/model failed due to a lack of funding.

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The answer is for RRG to open his wallet, buy the land and gift it to the club. But seriously it might not attract  many bids due to the polluted nature of the site. Why is it that all the discussion on here is by supporters of other clubs, we have heard little or nothing from the Rabs fans themselves. I don't expect the club officials to come on here and say anything until they have something definite to say but surely the fans have their opinions. It is quite noticeable that many Rabs supporters who used to be regular posters seem to have disappeared from this site.

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The answer is for RRG to open his wallet, buy the land and gift it to the club. But seriously it might not attract  many bids due to the polluted nature of the site. Why is it that all the discussion on here is by supporters of other clubs, we have heard little or nothing from the Rabs fans themselves. I don't expect the club officials to come on here and say anything until they have something definite to say but surely the fans have their opinions. It is quite noticeable that many Rabs supporters who used to be regular posters seem to have disappeared from this site.
They didn't like the big bad fans of other clubs talking about them so Brian started his own board.
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18 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
20 minutes ago, garrellburn said:
The answer is for RRG to open his wallet, buy the land and gift it to the club. But seriously it might not attract  many bids due to the polluted nature of the site. Why is it that all the discussion on here is by supporters of other clubs, we have heard little or nothing from the Rabs fans themselves. I don't expect the club officials to come on here and say anything until they have something definite to say but surely the fans have their opinions. It is quite noticeable that many Rabs supporters who used to be regular posters seem to have disappeared from this site.

They didn't like the big bad fans of other clubs talking about them so Brian started his own board.

Got to feel sorry for Brian and the Kirky folk. Pretty big blow to find out it's all went tits up. Could always sign the online petition via the Twitter account. Interesting looking back at the last KRR 2016/17 thread there were posters warning of problems ahead. Sad all round.

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As a fan it is gutting we cant get back to kirky. Should have never left adamslie without somewher to go. I drive by it every day and it is gutting.
Im merely a fan and have no other info for you guys but thanks for the comments on our situation.

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