ayrmad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Iceland aren't trying to join the EU. Decalring UDI with a refusal to take on any debt as a new country is an absolutely insane threat. Scotland face being an International paraiah, and refused entry to the EU as a result of it. It's not a realistic threat. Neither is Osbornes threat today, it doesn't matter what's realistic, it matters what happens in peoples minds, always has and always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Iceland aren't trying to join the EU. Decalring UDI with a refusal to take on any debt as a new country is an absolutely insane threat. Scotland face being an International paraiah, and refused entry to the EU as a result of it. It's not a realistic threat. Neither is the Westminster pact against currency union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 and the Tarff Advertiser?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I personally don't think it's bad news. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 :lol: If you think playing a joker in February is decisive you're a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If you think playing a joker in February is decisive you're a fool. It's decisive if Yes Scotland allows it to be decisive, and there is no sign of them trying to change the story, or get the alternative strategy out there for the public to decide, no, we are to be treated to 24 hours of 'no currency union, Independence up the shitter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's decisive if Yes Scotland allows it to be decisive, and there is no sign of them trying to change the story, or get the alternative strategy out there for the public to decide, no, we are to be treated to 24 hours of 'no currency union, Independence up the shitter'. It's only a few hours since the speech, if we're sitting here in a months time listening to the same stuff it would be decisive, there's no way you can open yourself up to a no win grilling for too long, you take the wee kickback from people getting angry then you move on with confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's only a few hours since the speech, if we're sitting here in a months time listening to the same stuff it would be decisive, there's no way you can open yourself up to a no win grilling for too long, you take the wee kickback from people getting angry then you move on with confidence. The line has been set for the next week at least from the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's only a few hours since the speech, if we're sitting here in a months time listening to the same stuff it would be decisive, there's no way you can open yourself up to a no win grilling for too long, you take the wee kickback from people getting angry then you move on with confidence. If we're sitting here in a weeks time you mean. They knew it was coming, they must have looked at the other alternatives and there is no shortage of 'expert groups' saying that alternatives are doable, indeed may even be more advantageous than the current proposal. Get it out now, change the story, make it about what an Independent Scotland can have, rather than a story about what Westminster says we can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's decisive if Yes Scotland allows it to be decisive, and there is no sign of them trying to change the story, or get the alternative strategy out there for the public to decide, no, we are to be treated to 24 hours of 'no currency union, Independence up the shitter'. It's idiotic. Yes could have nipped it in the bud by coming out in the AM with a 'now exploring other options' line. Effectively leaving BT with plenty of ammo but removing their target. Instead we leave it up there and they've switched their rifle onto automatic. We could have used the other options line and then given ourselves 24 hours of Pound Scots, using the unionists old arguments again currency union in favour of our new line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If we're sitting here in a weeks time you mean. They knew it was coming, they must have looked at the other alternatives and there is no shortage of 'expert groups' saying that alternatives are doable, indeed may even be more advantageous than the current proposal. Get it out now, change the story, make it about what an Independent Scotland can have, rather than a story about what Westminster says we can't. I wasn't suggesting they should wait a month, I was using it as a reference point, personally I think they should be out tomorrow with something concrete but I don't think they see it the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I wasn't suggesting they should wait a month, I was using it as a reference point, personally I think they should be out tomorrow with something concrete but I don't think they see it the same way. ... and there in lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Problem with coming out with a Plan C straight away is that it looks kneejerk. A bit of a "f**k, what do we do now...? OK, how about this?" If they wait a short time before unveiling Plan C then it looks a bit more considered. I mean it isn't a bit more considered - it's a panic stations move and embarrassing, but it's all about damage limitation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ... and there in lies the problem. If they make it one, it's far too early to be running around flapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Problem with coming out with a Plan C straight away is that it looks kneejerk. A bit of a "f**k, what do we do now...? OK, how about this?" If they wait a short time before unveiling Plan C then it looks a bit more considered. I mean it isn't a bit more considered - it's a panic stations move and embarrassing, but it's all about damage limitation now. I think there is a way to phrase it: "We're sorry the chancellor sees it that way, we still believe that a currency union is in the best interests of both parties and we very much hope they come to their senses after the Yes vote, if we cannot reach an agreement with Westminster on a Union, our plan is..." At least makes it sound like you know what you are doing, and knew this was a possiblity. Also has the effect of removing some of the sting of Westminster's attack, while changing the story somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If they make it one, it's far too early to be running around flapping. Nope, I think it's exactly the right time for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Andrew Neil ripping Nicola Sturgeon apart on the Daily Politics just now. It's a bit of a shame No it isn't, she's a complete arsehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Sturgeon, given the brief she has today, did very well I thought. She's clearly been told "push the currency union, don't mentiona n alternative,say bluff, bully" and she stuck to that resolutely. She was never going to avoid getting ripped but at least she didn't drop any major clangers Where's John Swinney though? He should be doing the rounds. Edit to add - althought the stuff about tuition fees was a bit weird. He isn't shouty enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlandoblue Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I think there is a way to phrase it: "We're sorry the chancellor sees it that way, we still believe that a currency union is in the best interests of both parties and we very much hope they come to their senses after the Yes vote, if we cannot reach an agreement with Westminster on a Union, our plan is..." At least makes it sound like you know what you are doing, and knew this was a possiblity. Also has the effect of removing some of the sting of Westminster's attack, while changing the story somewhat. Completely agree but I suspect the fear is by doing that the immediate reaction from No will be "you can't believe anything they say now " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Completely agree but I suspect the fear is by doing that the immediate reaction from No will be "you can't believe anything they say now " IN terms of western politics, that's a relatively toothless attack though, and tends to be uttered by one side as soon as the other opens it's mouth (I also tend ot think it's a put off for voters, who probably don't like being told who to believe, or what to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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