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3 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said:
2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:
Looks like the troll was dumped after one post!  emoji38.png

What was the post?

Some supposed poll for the next GE showing the SNP with 28 seats.

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Opinion polls are a complete waste of time, one even had the Yes camp ahead before the 2014 vote. Look what happened. If we voted tomorrow it would be 60-40 status quo, some people haven't got over the 2014 vote yet. To divide the people yet again would be complete madness.  I doubt very much there will be another vote anytime soon, there are important things to sort out. 

 

Scotland will actually win the men's world football Cup before winning a vote on independence. 

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15 hours ago, TapothehullDee said:

Opinion polls are a complete waste of time, one even had the Yes camp ahead before the 2014 vote. Look what happened. If we voted tomorrow it would be 60-40 status quo, some people haven't got over the 2014 vote yet. To divide the people yet again would be complete madness.  I doubt very much there will be another vote anytime soon, there are important things to sort out. 

 

Scotland will actually win the men's world football Cup before winning a vote on independence. 

Yeah! In your wet Unionist dream!

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2 hours ago, TapothehullDee said:

 To divide the people yet again would be complete madness. 

Rarely bother with this section of the forum, but this Unionist line is one of the daftest going.

The division exists. Holding a referendum won't make the country divided, it is divided and has been for years. A consequence of that division is that a second referendum is inevitable and necessary.

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Seem amazing that a Tory government that cannot even hold itself together, is mired in sleaze and has a criminal squatting in Downing Street still has a chance of matching the numbers of seats as the Labour Party at the next election.

It is the strongest argument in favour of an MMP/PR system of representation. An easy policy to sell at the moment. Call it reform of Westminster. Introduce a set of binding ethics and codes of conduct for MPS and Ministers and include the Lords reform as part of the package. Power to the people.

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1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said:

Rarely bother with this section of the forum, but this Unionist line is one of the daftest going.

The division exists. Holding a referendum won't make the country divided, it is divided and has been for years. A consequence of that division is that a second referendum is inevitable and necessary.

They don't seem to realise that the majority want a referendum. The evidence is that there were enough of the Scottish electorate motivated to vote in favour of a majority of representatives in our parliament to do exactly that.

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2 minutes ago, Zern said:

They don't seem to realise that the majority want a referendum. The evidence is that there were enough of the Scottish electorate motivated to vote in favour of a majority of representatives in our parliament to do exactly that.

A majority would be greater than 50% of the popular vote surely?

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6 minutes ago, Left Back said:

A majority would be greater than 50% of the popular vote surely?

That's not how we elect representatives.

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3 minutes ago, Left Back said:

The number of representatives under FPTP does not demonstrate that a majority of people want a referendum as you claimed.

If elections aren't representative of the political desires of the electorate then what are they? Are the results meaningless? What other measure would you use?

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4 minutes ago, Zern said:

If elections aren't representative of the political desires of the electorate then what are they? Are the results meaningless? What other measure would you use?

Where did I say they weren’t representative?  You argue against FPTP in one post then use the results from this “unfair” system to claim something that never happened in your next post.

You’re all over the place.

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5 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Where did I say they weren’t representative?  You argue against FPTP in one post then use the results from this “unfair” system to claim something that never happened in your next post.

You’re all over the place.

A majority of the Scottish electorate were motivated enough to back parties that supported another referendum, enough to gain majority representation in our Parliament. How is this not indicative that majority are in favour? That's the question, if a majority were not in favour why is that not being reflected at the ballot box.

I've not really commented on FPTP or called it unfair, so i have no idea where you get that from.

Our system is more sensitive to swings from one party to another though, so if people were so motivated to oppose they could easily unseat the parties in favour of Indy and remove them from power, but they do not. It's not because they cannot. It's because they are in the minority.

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3 hours ago, Zern said:

A majority of the Scottish electorate were motivated enough to back parties that supported another referendum, enough to gain majority representation in our Parliament. How is this not indicative that majority are in favour? That's the question, if a majority were not in favour why is that not being reflected at the ballot box.

I've not really commented on FPTP or called it unfair, so i have no idea where you get that from.

Our system is more sensitive to swings from one party to another though, so if people were so motivated to oppose they could easily unseat the parties in favour of Indy and remove them from power, but they do not. It's not because they cannot. It's because they are in the minority.

They weren’t.

In 2021 47.7% voted SNP in the constituency vote.  1.3% Green
The regional vote was 40.3% and 8.1% for them respectively.

In the 2019 Westminster election the SNP got 45% of the votes.  I can’t find figures for the greens but if you add up the figures for the other three main parties you can see they got 53.2% so the greens were as trivial as ever.

You don’t need a degree in maths to work out that, contrary to your claim, a majority of people did not vote for parties that back another referendum.

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