H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I believe the correct internet response to this involves an image of Captain Jean-Luc Picard with his head in his hands. Perhaps you could have a pic of Cher singing Believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Annoying isn't it? Just for your information, it's never NOT been going well. But the forum itself was getting a bit samey plus I've not been partaking of much football so why bother infesting a football forum? But I'll be off and on here much to your chagrin. And I've been here since the day it opened and come and gone as I pleased, which I'll continue to do at my whim. Not much to my chagrin at all. Unlike H_B, you do, on occasion make the odd point. Also, unlike H_B, you are, on occasion, amusing. You're deliciously moreish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was delighted that Coburn got in Yeah we know that from your UKIP arselicking you've been doing recently. Remember, next time you call someone thick, you voted for Coburn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yeah we know that from your UKIP arselicking you've been doing recently. Remember, next time you call someone thick, you voted for Coburn. How's Coburn getting on? How is he getting on with his pledges? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Here's a blog about polling and the referendum http://loveandgarbage.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/a-few-thoughts-on-referendum-opinion-polling/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Here's a blog about polling and the referendum http://loveandgarbage.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/a-few-thoughts-on-referendum-opinion-polling/ He's a lawyer. Therefore not to be listened to. "Ah, witchcraft... burn him" etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Here's a blog about polling and the referendum http://loveandgarbage.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/a-few-thoughts-on-referendum-opinion-polling/ Some interesting points - but I disagreed with this bit: 'A general thought to end with: people on both sides are taking their position for the best of motivations. They are taking their position because they think it’s for the best for the majority of folk. You might disagree with them, but they’re sincere. Maybe if everyone assumed that those on each side was equally well motivated it might make things a bit easier afterwards.' I'm afraid there's an awful lot of folk that are concerned with other things rather than 'the best for the majority of folk'. The best example is 'what's best for me', there's also quite a few 'which side is most likely to win', and the odd 'this ties in with the view of my football team'. There will be other petty motivations, unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 He's a lawyer. Therefore not to be listened to. "Ah, witchcraft... burn him" etc. If only we could (lawyers in general I mean, not this particular individual)... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 There will be other petty motivations, unfortunately. Indeed. "I hate the English", "End our oppression..." etc. I'm not sure where this bizarre pretence of martyrdom has come from anyway. The thought that people vote in elections or referendums for reasons other than "What is best for me and my family" is laughable. It's also laughable to pretend that a Yes vote is in some way either meritorious or likely to benefit the greater good. It is no more so than an No vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm afraid there's an awful lot of folk that are concerned with other things rather than 'the best for the majority of folk'. The best example is 'what's best for me', there's also quite a few 'which side is most likely to win', and the odd 'this ties in with the view of my football team'. There will be other petty motivations, unfortunately. This mentality puts me off YES in a big way, YES people are noble and patriotic and only want the best for Scotland and anyone who doesn't agree is looking after no. 1 and is somehow unpatriotic. I would have thought it was counter productive to be honest, if people are getting labelled in a negative way like this I would have thought they wouldn't be too likely to soften their attitude towards YES and it reeks of back slapping and "wha's like us" cliqueyness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This mentality puts me off YES in a big way, YES people are noble and patriotic and only want the best for Scotland and anyone who doesn't agree is looking after no. 1 and is somehow unpatriotic. I would have thought it was counter productive to be honest, if people are getting labelled in a negative way like this I would have thought they wouldn't be too likely to soften their attitude towards YES and it reeks of back slapping and "wha's like us" cliqueyness. That's quite a big misrepresentation of my post. I think there are folk on both sides voting for less than noble reasons. Personally I think there are more folk voting Yes for the good of the majority. But at no point did I say that all folk voting No are not voting for noble reasons. Plenty are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's quite a big misrepresentation of my post. I think there are folk on both sides voting for less than noble reasons. Personally I think there are more folk voting Yes for the good of the majority. But at no point did I say that all folk voting No are not voting for noble reasons. Plenty are. Maybe being a bit picky but you didn't say that, you listed a number of negative reasons why people vote NAW without any caveats saying 'some' or anything like it, it's very easy to interpret it as 'all'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Maybe being a bit picky but you didn't say that, you listed a number of negative reasons why people vote NAW without any caveats saying 'some' or anything like it, it's very easy to interpret it as 'all'. Do you agree with the article that 'everyone is voting for the good of the majority'? I was just listing a few examples to the contrary. The fact that they tended to represent No voters was accidental. Let me add in this shite motivation for voting: 'a deep down hatred of the English'. There are a few of them about (although in my opinion not as many as some commentators would have you believe). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The Scottish Social Attitudes Survey results are due out tomorrow, apparently. Could be interesting in the run up to the vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Nobly saving us from having to make our own decisions. The very idea is preposterous. Isolated from any actual facts about the government and political environment of the United Kingdom, a case could be made for the union. When you actually look at what No voters are voting for, no case at all can be made for altruism except for some future fantasy Labour government sweeping in and suddenly reversing basically every single policy of a decade of right-wing governance. No independence voter has such unrealistic outcomes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Do you agree with the article that 'everyone is voting for the good of the majority'? I was just listing a few examples to the contrary. The fact that they tended to represent No voters was accidental. Let me add in this shite motivation for voting: 'a deep down hatred of the English'. There are a few of them about (although in my opinion not as many as some commentators would have you believe). I don't think there are many who vote for the 'greater good'. People like to assign themselves noble reasons but generally we tend to do what's best for ourselves or suits us at the time. That doesn't mean that I automatically assume that people are base and completely selfish but it does have an influence on us and therefore our actions. Its rarely if ever as simple as good guys and bad guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'd still vote for Independence if it meant I'd immediately get hit in the pocket or I got any immediate bad consequences. This is way greater and bigger than voting for what you think is best for you; this is voting for the benefit of generations to come, and for the greater good of Scotland. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'd still vote for Independence if it meant I'd immediately get hit in the pocket or I got any immediate bad consequences. This is way greater and bigger than voting for what you think is best for you; this is voting for the benefit of generations to come, and for the greater good of Scotland. Thats because you're stupid. And because you have nothing to lose in the first place. Essentially, you are a selfish c**t that wants everyone else to pay for everything youve got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Thats because you're stupid. And because you have nothing to lose in the first place. Essentially, you are a selfish c**t that wants everyone else to pay for everything youve got. Nah, not really chief. Unlike some, I'd say I always put others needs ahead of mine; not due to any satisfaction, but simply due to what I perceive as being polite and being a fellow human. I know you'd do what you feel is best for your friends and family, even if it was detrimental to your own wellbeing. And since you know nothing of my personal circumstances; you should leave them out, you angry person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Indeed. "I hate the English", "End our oppression..." etc. I'm not sure where this bizarre pretence of martyrdom has come from anyway. The thought that people vote in elections or referendums for reasons other than "What is best for me and my family" is laughable. It's also laughable to pretend that a Yes vote is in some way either meritorious or likely to benefit the greater good. It is no more so than an No vote. What a joke mate. The no vote here love UKIP!!! #XenophobesforNO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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