Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Ooooft, surely you cringed writing that? Ssalmond v Darling would be a really interesting debate in terms of styles. Surely you realised it was a joke? Nobody has anything to fear from Alistair Darling, least of all Alex Salmond. Darling has no style, he's a classic grey man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Right. So just to clarify here, you think he should breenge into this debate and increase the chance of Yes winning as a "duty"? He said he looked forward to the debate and he's clearly the one who should be participating in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_bo Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 You cannot have the leader of a nation debating something as fundamental as that nation leaving a 300 old 'union' with a powerless jakey no mark twat. It would be humiliating for the country and for Salmond to debate this incredibly important subject with an ex-monkey never mind the organ grinder. They obviously want to trivialize this debate and starve it of publicity by sending up some powerless nobody to debate Salmond. He is dead right to wait for an appropriate opponent which has to be the leader of the Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 In your opinion. Well time will tell. If in September next year Scotland returns a No vote, Cameron will be absolutely vindicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Surely you realised it was a joke? Nobody has anything to fear from Alistair Darling, least of all Alex Salmond. Darling has no style, he's a classic grey man. It can be difficult to tell sometimes Darling's "dry" appraoch might be awklward to debate with though - Salmond can't really rant at him, nor can he do the "Uncle Eck" routine that gets wheeled out for the One show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 . He is dead right to wait for an appropriate opponent which has to be the leader of the Union. Except that won't happen. So he'll be waiting a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 And on return of a yes vote ? The opposite, clearly. Salmond will be absolutely vindicated on a Yes vote. It's interesting to note in the Quebec referendum the Canadian PM became heavily involved when it seemed likely Leave were going to win. In some ways he's credited with turning the tide in Canada's favour. Different circumstances, as a Tory leader isn't going to have that effect no matter what, but it's interesting nonetheless. If it wasn't such a resounding No win in the offing, Cameron might feel obliged to give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Well time will tell. If in September next year Scotland returns a No vote, Cameron will be absolutely vindicated. If this happens it will be nothing to do with Cameron and everything to do with the votes of the Scottish people. God rest our souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The opposite, clearly. Salmond will be absolutely vindicated on a Yes vote. It's interesting to note in the Quebec referendum the Canadian PM became heavily involved when it seemed likely Leave were going to win. In some ways he's credited with turning the tide in Canada's favour. Different circumstances, as a Tory leader isn't going to have that effect no matter what, but it's interesting nonetheless. If it wasn't such a resounding No win in the offing, Cameron might feel obliged to give it a go. And just for clarity, can you provide the analysis of Professor Crawfords opinion on Quebec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If this happens it will be nothing to do with Cameron and everything to do with the votes of the Scottish people. God rest our souls. Cameron, unlike the Spanish PM, has dealt with this magnificently. He came to Edinburgh, smiled a lot, left with exactly what he wanted and has given the Scottish people the chance to leave the union, should they choose to do so. Contrast with the Catalans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 He came to Edinburgh, smiled a lot, left with exactly what he wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Except that won't happen. So he'll be waiting a long time. Surely as the leader of the Scottish people Cameron has to participate in the debate about Scotland's future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 It's not interesting it's complete whataboutery. In what sense is discussing the only possible analogous referendum and the respective participations of the leaders of the "rumps" whataboutery you fool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingsoverperthshire Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Surely as the leader of the Scottish people Cameron has to participate in the debate about Scotland's future? Of course he does. Were going to vote on whether were governed by Hollyrood or Westminister. It's unthinkable the leader of Westminister doesn't want to present case as to why were better governed from afar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Surely as the leader of the Scottish people Cameron has to participate in the debate about Scotland's future? Cameron's responsibility is to the people of the UK. 65 million people, not 5 million. He hasn't been directly elected by Scots alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Of course he does. Were going to vote on whether were governed by Hollyrood or Westminister. We are going to vote on whether we secede from the UK. This is a question for Scots to decide what is best for Scots. Cameron doesn't have a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cameron's responsibility is to the people of the UK. 65 million people, not 5 million. He hasn't been directly elected by Scots alone. And yet he is the leader of the Scottish people, is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yep. Once again, the fantasist strides forth. I love it on those days when he has nothing to say but "YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE" repeated over and over. The moral and intellectual bankruptcy at the heart of his argument. If he had something worthwhile to say, he would have said it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 We are going to vote on whether we secede from the UK. This is a question for Scots to decide what is best for Scots. Cameron doesn't have a vote. Then why does he keep making statements about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cameron, unlike the Spanish PM, has dealt with this magnificently. He came to Edinburgh, smiled a lot, left with exactly what he wanted and has given the Scottish people the chance to leave the union, should they choose to do so. Contrast with the Catalans. He has the certain knowledge that Scottish nationalism is going to be routed though unlike the Spanish PM where it is genuinely in the balance. Cameron could afford to play ball here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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