Tubbs Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This. When you think about what we could have achieved. A fairer society. A quiet, rich, content country that looks after it's own and ensures child poverty is addressed before nuclear weapons - it just makes me feel like greeting. Very touching. Melodramatic rubbish; but touching nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilos Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm asking you, practically how can we it? Words mean nothing Genuine change will not come from the Russel Brand sterotype. There are too many conspiracy nuts, and people wanting an anarchic revoloution. A geniune change movement, must be less confrontational, less willing to jump on every socalist band waggon. less willing to criticize allies, more willing to compromise with big corportaions. Socialism was born in extreem poverty not relative poverty of a modern society, as much as the goals are commendable, it's flawed. I want a fairer society where min wage is higher, 0 hours contratcs are illegal, slave labour is gone racism and discrimination is socally unacceptable. Bankers and sports stars are not paid the same in one week that moast make in a year or a lifetime. It must be acknolegded that at the national level a rich city like london, does increase the wealth of the country that supports it. We must not narrow the goal posts to fairness, and that is what nationalism does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This. When you think about what we could have achieved. A fairer society. A quiet, rich, content country that looks after it's own and ensures child poverty is addressed before nuclear weapons - it just makes me feel like greeting. Aye disappointing. At least I get the consolation of living in the country that tells Westminster when to jump. Satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Genuine change will not come from the Russel Brand sterotype. There are too many conspiracy nuts, and people wanting an anarchic revoloution. A geniune change movement, must be less confrontational, less willing to jump on every socalist band waggon. less willing to criticize allies, more willing to compromise with big corportaions. Socialism was born in extreem poverty not relative poverty of a modern society, as much as the goals are commendable, it's flawed. I want a fairer society where min wage is higher, 0 hours contratcs are illegal, slave labour is gone racism and discrimination is socally unacceptable. Bankers and sports stars are not paid the same in one week that moast make in a year or a lifetime. It must be acknolegded that at the national level a rich city like london, does increase the wealth of the country that supports it. We must not narrow the goal posts to fairness, and that is what nationalism does. Who and how, will make any change happen in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Genuine change will not come from the Russel Brand sterotype. There are too many conspiracy nuts, and people wanting an anarchic revoloution. A geniune change movement, must be less confrontational, less willing to jump on every socalist band waggon. less willing to criticize allies, more willing to compromise with big corportaions. Socialism was born in extreem poverty not relative poverty of a modern society, as much as the goals are commendable, it's flawed. I want a fairer society where min wage is higher, 0 hours contratcs are illegal, slave labour is gone racism and discrimination is socally unacceptable. Bankers and sports stars are not paid the same in one week that moast make in a year or a lifetime. It must be acknolegded that at the national level a rich city like london, does increase the wealth of the country that supports it. We must not narrow the goal posts to fairness, and that is what nationalism does. I asked how you can make these changes possible in a practical sense. I know the problems, you don't have to tell me. You haven't answered, Why hasn't it changed so far? what is the difference from last week to next week that will force the entire Westminster political system to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Aye disappointing. At least I get the consolation of living in the country that tells Westminster when to jump. Satisfying. Gonnae ask them to make WM jump higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Gonnae ask them to make WM jump higher? I'm sure that's coming soon. Isis and all that malarkey. People like Tubbs are the Senates dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Who and how, will make any change happen in the UK? I asked how you can make these changes possible in a practical sense. I know the problems, you don't have to tell me. You haven't answered, Why hasn't it changed so far? what is the difference from last week to next week that will force the entire Westminster political system to change I moved up to Scotland in 1997 just after the Scottish Parliament had been voted through - 290 years after the dissolution of the previous one. Apparently a scheme designed to kill nationalism "stone dead". Just (and I mean just) 17 years later I voted in an Independence referendum. How did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I moved up to Scotland in 1997 just after the Scottish Parliament had been voted through - 290 years after the dissolution of the previous one. Apparently a scheme designed to kill nationalism "stone dead". Just (and I mean just) 17 years later I voted in an Independence referendum. How did that happen? Because the SNP won a majority at Holyrood Something, no scottish party will ever be capable of doing at Westminster no matter what people vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 We are fucked, we might as well come to terms with it. I'm genuinely ashamed to be 'Scottish' at the moment. Naively I had more faith in us. We'll deserve what's coming our way. Usually I would be an intolerable smug b*****d when the shit hits the fan, however I am too depressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Very touching. Melodramatic rubbish; but touching nonetheless. Melodramatic? Maybe. Possible? Perhaps. The difference was that we were in the enviable position of making it happen if we, as a country, wanted it to. The disappointment comes from not knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilos Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I asked how you can make these changes possible in a practical sense. I know the problems, you don't have to tell me. You haven't answered, Why hasn't it changed so far? what is the difference from last week to next week that will force the entire Westminster political system to change The rawest form of democracy is peaceful protest. 1.6 million voted YES 1.6 million are desperate for change. I bet there's another 20 million in England another 1 million in Wales. The euromaidan in Kyiv showed us how it's done... the govenment in Ukraine passed laws to make peaceful protest illegal, make protective clothing illegal, barred protestors sim cards and hired thugs called "titushki" to kidnap and kill protestors and they still stayed in Kyiv. Things then turned nasty and the rest is history. The people of Kyiv had nothing just enough for basic survial. do you think out of the possible 23 million disaffected do you think it's not possible to have 10-20% march on London and stay there? Would the govenment pass laws to make peaceful protest illegal? Not in the UK. But to be honest, people want change handed to them on a plate. Peaceful protest, can work but people must want it and not just sit an watch it on TV. Miners in Newcaslte starved... 2 million marching on London and staying there, until thier voices are heard. But because things aren't as bad as life in Ukraine, no one has the will. People need to want it bad enough, and as far as I can see they simply dream about it and do very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Because the SNP won a majority at Holyrood Something, no scottish party will ever be capable of doing at Westminster no matter what people vote In a Holyrood supposedly engineered to kill nationalism "stone dead" . And how did Holyrood suddenly spring into existence? For f**k's sake people. So much has happened over the past 20 years that and you reckon that all that is going to be stuffed back in a bottle. Enough has been spoken about a Yes vote being for the future generations. Empty rhetoric if you've given up at the first setback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The rawest form of democracy is peaceful protest. 1.6 million voted YES 1.6 million are desperate for change. I bet there's another 20 million in England another 1 million in Wales. The euromaidan in Kyiv showed us how it's done... the govenment in Ukraine passed laws to make peaceful protest illegal, make protective clothing illegal, barred protestors sim cards and hired thugs called "titushki" to kidnap and kill protestors and they still stayed in Kyiv. Things then turned nasty and the rest is history. The people of Kyiv had nothing just enough for basic survial. do you think out of the possible 23 million disaffected do you think it's not possible to have 10-20% march on London and stay there? Would the govenment pass laws to make peaceful protest illegal? Not in the UK. But to be honest, people want change handed to them on a plate. Peaceful protest, can work but people must want it and not just sit an watch it on TV. Miners in Newcaslte starved... 2 million marching on London and staying there, until thier voices are heard. But because thinks aren't as bad as life in Ukraine, no one has the will. People need to want it bad enough, and as far as I can see they simply dream about it and do very little. Marching mean f**k all as we seen with the Iraq invasion You're deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilos Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Marching mean f**k all as we seen with the Iraq invasion You're deluded Marched for a few hours In Kyiv they stayed for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 We are fucked, we might as well come to terms with it. I'm genuinely ashamed to be 'Scottish' at the moment. Naively I had more faith in us. We'll deserve what's coming our way. Usually I would be an intolerable smug b*****d when the shit hits the fan, however I am too depressed. Yeah, I really thought that we were ready. £1.4 trillion of debt is a hard thing to not want in your life though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The rawest form of democracy is peaceful protest. 1.6 million voted YES 1.6 million are desperate for change. I bet there's another 20 million in England another 1 million in Wales. The euromaidan in Kyiv showed us how it's done... the govenment in Ukraine passed laws to make peaceful protest illegal, make protective clothing illegal, barred protestors sim cards and hired thugs called "titushki" to kidnap and kill protestors and they still stayed in Kyiv. Things then turned nasty and the rest is history. The people of Kyiv had nothing just enough for basic survial. do you think out of the possible 23 million disaffected do you think it's not possible to have 10-20% march on London and stay there? Would the govenment pass laws to make peaceful protest illegal? Not in the UK. But to be honest, people want change handed to them on a plate. Peaceful protest, can work but people must want it and not just sit an watch it on TV. Miners in Newcaslte starved... 2 million marching on London and staying there, until thier voices are heard. But because things aren't as bad as life in Ukraine, no one has the will. People need to want it bad enough, and as far as I can see they simply dream about it and do very little. You are George Galloway and I claim your login details as a prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The rawest form of democracy is peaceful protest. 1.6 million voted YES 1.6 million are desperate for change. I bet there's another 20 million in England another 1 million in Wales. The euromaidan in Kyiv showed us how it's done... the govenment in Ukraine passed laws to make peaceful protest illegal, make protective clothing illegal, barred protestors sim cards and hired thugs called "titushki" to kidnap and kill protestors and they still stayed in Kyiv. Things then turned nasty and the rest is history. The people of Kyiv had nothing just enough for basic survial. do you think out of the possible 23 million disaffected do you think it's not possible to have 10-20% march on London and stay there? Would the govenment pass laws to make peaceful protest illegal? Not in the UK. But to be honest, people want change handed to them on a plate. Peaceful protest, can work but people must want it and not just sit an watch it on TV. Miners in Newcaslte starved... 2 million marching on London and staying there, until thier voices are heard. But because things aren't as bad as life in Ukraine, no one has the will. People need to want it bad enough, and as far as I can see they simply dream about it and do very little. Won't Boris just give them all a wash and send them home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YER SISTERS YER MAW Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Is there a way of finding out how each regional town/village voted? Just curious to see what the percentage is where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I saw a tweet earlier talking about the results in various constituencies in Glasgow, but AFAIK none of that info is in the public domain yet (and might never be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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