Uncle Psychosis Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sad to see so much self-loathing and fear (of Tories/UKIP/Westminster) from the Yessers. Seems it wasn't just restricted to the No campaign after all For myself, I came very close to spoiling my paper because I didn't really want to support either camp. The Status Quo is not good enough but I was not fully convinced by what was on offer from Yes. In the end I decided that spoiling was unacceptable and voted Yes in an attempt to become an optimistic person but I suspect that many of the doubts that I had about Yes were ones that were shared by undecided voters all over the country who decided to turn to no. I think that Yes made a tactical blunder by pinning their flag to the mast of currency union. It may have made the most economic sense but in the context of the referendum---all of Westminster and the media against you---you can't leave a great big open goal for the opposition to say "No, that's not going to happen, you'd have to agree that with us and we say No". Trying to convince undecideds that Westminster was bluffing was just too hard, and it was easy pickings for the No camp. If Plan A had been Sterlingisation or our own currency then Better Together would have had to argue against it on the basis of economics, and that would have been a lot harder for them. Swinney and Salmond seriously threatening to go down the nuclear route of walking away from the debt will also have turned off a lot of people. Moving forward its going to be interesting to see what happens. Absolutely delighted to see such a huge turnout yesterday, I'm sure there are a lot of disappointed people this morning but what a year its been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Indeed I can. Probably a tear stained spittle flecked rant about Alex Salmond. Amirite? Yeah and go and find all the people you think voted Yes and contact him. I believe he'll be busy cancelling parties and bus tours this morning though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's a fair point, I do accept it but I'm not exactly magnanimous about it. I can honesty say I never for one minute thought the vote would be less than 55% Yes. I haven't seen the breakdown but because of the margin I assume No won every age bracket, which again I didn't expect. That's fair enough. I don't really know what brought you to that thinking. I guess part of me always thought Yes supporters knew they were miles behind and were just putting a brave face on it to pretend otherwise. I didn't think so many people actually thought Yes would win, as seems to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's a fair point, I do accept it but I'm not exactly magnanimous about it. I can honesty say I never for one minute thought the vote would be less than 55% Yes. I haven't seen the breakdown but because of the margin I assume No won every age bracket, which again I didn't expect. I'm not sure but what I've seen, totally unconfirmed on twitter, is that it was fairly even throughout the younger ages groups - No slightly shading it - but the over 40s seemed to make the biggest impact in Nos favor. Some of the councils: Falkirk, Stirling and Angus for example were the ones who shocked me the most. Would never have guessed Angus at 60% No given how strong the support for SNP has been in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's a fair point, I do accept it but I'm not exactly magnanimous about it. I can honesty say I never for one minute thought the vote would be less than 55% Yes. I haven't seen the breakdown but because of the margin I assume No won every age bracket, which again I didn't expect. Not sure how accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 On a lighter note I would just like to say f**k Asda f**k Sainsburys f**k John Lewis f**k BP I will never set foot in any if your establishments ever again. Adsa in Inverness is right next to my house, I'm going there later actually. And I know which aisle most things are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The funny thing is, I've still to hear an argument why a no vote was the best thing for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Adsa in Inverness is right next to my house, I'm going there later actually. And I know which aisle most things are on. Should be quiet too which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 My #indyref final thought. Very down this morning. Horrible, empty feeling. Just got all my Yes posters, badges and memorabilia, the White Paper, the Wee Blue Book, popped it all into a shoe box and placed it in the back of my cupboard. Had a tear in my eye as I did that as I felt I was closing the lid on a future that will never be. I look at my daughter running around carefree today and hope we've not made a fatal error for her generation. And if we have, I hope they grasp it better than us. All the best everyone. And apologies from a very embarrassed Aberdonian I know exactly how you feel. The dream I had for my two girls is no more. Been feeling sick all day. I do hope that more than anything, this will never be regretted by those who voted NO. Going to keep my YES lapel badge on until these promised powers are delivered. If it last that long. How long should it take Salmond to raise the higher rate of tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Not sure how accurate ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1411125648.614475.jpg That is going to piss off a lot of the next generation of voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Important that Yes voters show support to the Catalans via social media. Let them show us how daft we've been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagtastic Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Feel deflated but not surprised by the result. I'm proud that Glasgow was a yes, really believe that Labour are truly f*cked here. The mobilisation of people who wouldn't normally vote to try and make a change politically has been quite inspiring and if there's one thing I'm going to try and take from this whole campaign it's to become more engaged in helping/donating to projects and concerns in my local community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 On a lighter note I would just like to say f**k Asda f**k Sainsburys f**k John Lewis f**k BP I will never set foot in any if your establishments ever again. And the Daily Record ,The Mail, The Telegraph,,il just be buying the herald from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yeah. John Beattie on radio Scotland just asked a novel question. " just what will these new powers be ". Really should have asked that last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another sad statistic from the accurate YouGov poll last night: three-quarters of No voters had made up their mind to vote No a year OR MORE ago. That's shocking. They'd decided before the White Paper! So all this talk about voter engagement and participation doesn't really apply. Most No voters had their fingers in their ears. Whatever Yes said, it would have struggled to win. Don't call this a victory for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Don't call this a victory for democracy. I don't think you understand what democracy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Scrambling back from the Vow and talk of Scotland being marginalised already. Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't think you understand what democracy is. I do, but the idealist in me would like to think that - aside from any narrow dictionary definition - it encompassed a degree of discussion and listening to the views of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Oh mate please. That is ridiculous. He didn't even know what currency we were going to use, whether prices would rise etc. Now I know that would have settled down when the two parties started talking initially but there'd be uncertainty for years. Check share prices and the currency rates this morning and then imagine then going the other way x 5. I want decentralised power but I want it done in a controlled way You think prices won't rise after a No vote? Just how stupid are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another sad statistic from the accurate YouGov poll last night: three-quarters of No voters had made up their mind to vote No a year OR MORE ago. That's shocking. They'd decided before the White Paper! So all this talk about voter engagement and participation doesn't really apply. Most No voters had their fingers in their ears. Whatever Yes said, it would have struggled to win. Don't call this a victory for democracy. Is that the one where people agree with what you say or where they choose not to listen? Alex Salmond told people not to listen to Jim Murphy.... I agree on that one But that's my choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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