Blaven Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Excellent wee article. I have a bit of a man-crush on Charlie Brooker. I recommend you see someone about that pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 How did you keep a straight face? That said, perhaps you've just been sacked but don't realise it.. I've rarely been as serious about anything as I was this morning. If they didn't let me go, there's a good chance I'd have walked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I've rarely been as serious about anything as I was this morning. If they didn't let me go, there's a good chance I'd have walked out. Good man, I like a person with principle! On another note the Scotsman with one of it's most "even" headlines I've seen in a while. Still dripping with seethe but not screaming that it's the last days Sodom and Gomorrah.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I recommend you see someone about that pronto. Charlie, is that you? Fancy meeting up for coffee? Or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 3/4 of your list we have in place already. Here is my list again along with my judgement on what's in place: Scottish currency. Not in place Central banking. Not in place. Financial regulation. Not in place A plethora of other regulatory authorities. Not in place A constitution. Not in place Tax regime both personally and for companies.. Not in place Welfare regime. Not in place Welfare systems. Not in place Possibly the largest IT project in world history to write new programs from scratch. Not in place An approach to diplomacy. Not in place Diplomatic missions. Not in place Relationships with entities like NATO and The UN. Not in place Consulates. Not in place European Union integration, timescales and conditions. Not in place Defense policy. Not in place The idea that is 3/4 is clearly preposterous. 3/4 of your list we have in place already. Further, if we are to assume a proportionate share of debt, I think it reasonable to assume we take a proportionate share of the asset. That includes a ....share of .....BoE reserves. I have argued over here and elsewhere :http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/216393-a-question-for-no-voters/?p=8750003 and What iScotland should do would to use it's 8ish% of BofE reserves to set up its own currency. I am not wanting it both ways. A share of UK foriegn diplomatic missions Sure. For a while. This is part of my reasoning that it'll be 'at least' 5 years to do so. There is also a cost. I would also suggest that the implentation costs will be more than offset by saving on such turds as Trident, Another fucking idiot who mentioned Trident. BTW I despise nuclear weapons but everyone who thinks that the cost of a new state can be offset against Trident is simply an imbicile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Haw cunto, if you'd ever posted on The Big Thread you'd ken that the word is 'thesaurus'. BTW everything I posted in the list that you quoted involves much time and money. Frankly that effort and cost could be better spent elsewhere. Not one bawbee nor a minute of the effort will make us any more Scottish. Ooooo get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Didn't know you were a Yes voter mate. I shouldn't be surprised, all the best posters are Yes boys. I'm a Yes voter mate but an shite poster. What does that make me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Charlie, is that you? Fancy meeting up for coffee? Or something? If he brings his lovely wife Konnie Huq I'm up for all sorts of adult fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Erm and pray tell, how short a period of time do you reckon we're talking about here? Just interested like We obviously can't be certain, it's just my opinion, but I would think that in the event of a Yes vote Westminster's attitude of intransigence and obstruction will shift to one of cooperation, working with an iScotland for the benefit of both nations. Hopefully this will help calm any initial jitters during the negotiation period. But as others have said, even if the share prices drop 25%, cry me a fucking river, it's not something I'm overly bothered about in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I, for one, am shocked that an independent Scotland will have to implement a new defence policy. HOW DID MONTENEGRO MANAGE IT? Further to the above point, how did they manage to start diplomatic relations with NATO? How did they do it The Kincardine? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Haw cunto, if you'd ever posted on The Big Thread you'd ken that the word is 'thesaurus'. BTW everything I posted in the list that you quoted involves much time and money. Frankly that effort and cost could be better spent elsewhere. Not one bawbee nor a minute of the effort will make us any more Scottish. Do you speak English as a second language? Well done. You're quite fluent really. This is as smarmy, supercilious and condescending as I could ever imagine from even the worst BT supporter. Talk me through which part of my post you struggle with linguistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 The UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 We obviously can't be certain, it's just my opinion, but I would think that in the event of a Yes vote Westminster's attitude of intransigence and obstruction will shift to one of cooperation, working with an iScotland for the benefit of both nations. Hopefully this will help calm any initial jitters during the negotiation period. But as others have said, even if the share prices drop 25%, cry me a fucking river, it's not something I'm overly bothered about in the grand scheme of things. This will be very interesting to see. I can easily envisage quite a messy divorce settlement, with real bitterness flowing our way. It's a natural feeling, as charlie Brooker points out - we'd have rejected them (not so much them as in the English people but it would be hard not to take it personally on some level). A cold war (to make it sound dramatic) would be in nobody's interests but I fear we'd come our of it worse off than the rUk. Still, if this did happen I reckon it would at least galvanise the Scottish people in the way that perceived injustice tends to do. Hopefully calm heads will prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maicoman Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Came across these words last week which are written on a brave man's headstone..."Those who risk nothing, do nothing, achieve nothing, become nothing" ...worth thinking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I, for one, am shocked that an independent Scotland will have to implement a new defence policy. HOW DID MONTENEGRO MANAGE IT? Further to the above point, how did they manage to start diplomatic relations with NATO? How did they do it The Kincardine? How? You are just being stupid now. I have never said "It can't happen". I am simply noting that there is a cost and time and effort. IMO the money and the man years would be better spent in developing Scotland as a country rather than replicating already extant state infrastructure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Former Labour PM, now backbench opposition PM, is the guy who will lay out the ConDem government's timetable for additional powers. Nah, their not panicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 That moron Douglas Alexander is on Newsnight claiming that Scotland operates in a market of 64 million consumers. Presumably the European Common Market was broken up by the Britnats earlier today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 You are just being stupid now. I have never said "It can't happen". I am simply noting that there is a cost and time and effort. IMO the money and the man years would be better spent in developing Scotland as a country rather than replicating already extant state infrastructure.. I'm sure I could fit "short-termism" and "Rangers fan" into a really poor quality joke. The newly independent country will implement new (and perhaps more suitable) infrastructure, this will then allow Scotland to focus more attention on developing Scotland in the future. Is Holyrood better suited to developing Scotland in the long-term than Westminster? I believe it is, and as such the short-term costs are outweighed by the long term benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 You are just being stupid now. I have never said "It can't happen". I am simply noting that there is a cost and time and effort. IMO the money and the man years would be better spent in developing Scotland as a country rather than replicating already extant state infrastructure.. The cost of replicating state infrastructure is an absolute fraction of the annual cost to pay for British sought-after nonsense like a replacement nuclear missile system. Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 You are just being stupid now. I have never said "It can't happen". I am simply noting that there is a cost and time and effort. IMO the money and the man years would be better spent in developing Scotland as a country rather than replicating already extant state infrastructure.. This sounds like a rehash of the old "aye, but you'll huv forms to fill in" caper from about the time of the 500 questions thing. Fucking hell mind that? I'm nostalgic for better together bullshit from 18 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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