Confidemus Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It will have at least a 5 year impact. Of course, you'll be able to back up this figure and prove it's more than just a number you've grabbed out the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 uncertainty to Scotland's economy given the number of unknowns surrounding the cost, effort and imponderables surrounding the setting up a new state. It will have at least a 5 year impact. Haven't we had 5 years of that already with austerity etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It will have at least a 5 year impact. Oh noes, a five year impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Scotland is already a stable and successful country and Scottish companies operate within a known and predictable economy. Independence can only add uncertainty to Scotland's economy given the number of unknowns surrounding the cost, effort and imponderables surrounding the setting up a new state. It will have at least a 5 year impact. You've just made that five year period up, haven't you? Also it's questionable just how successful Scotland is at the moment given out natural resources. How about the imponderables of a right wing campaign to attempt to remove the UK/rUK from the EU? iScotland will have the potential to be a great deal more stable and successful than the UK imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/wrestling-with-smoke-7fa728a21318 I got up to 'we once had the flair and audacity to rule the world.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Scotland is already a stable and successful country and Scottish companies operate within a known and predictable economy. Independence can only add uncertainty to Scotland's economy given the number of unknowns surrounding the cost, effort and imponderables surrounding the setting up a new state. It will have at least a 5 year impact. Who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I got up to 'we once had the flair and audacity to rule the world.' You should carry on. I originally gave up when he used the term "separatists" but if you wade through the shit, you are left just laughing at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy Blonde Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/scottish-independence-david-cameron-no-campaign-windows-8Enjoyed this article courtesy of Charlie Brooker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/scottish-independence-david-cameron-no-campaign-windows-8 Enjoyed this article courtesy of Charlie Brooker. Excellent wee article. I have a bit of a man-crush on Charlie Brooker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Of course, you'll be able to back up this figure and prove it's more than just a number you've grabbed out the air. No of course not. However the opportunity-loss to Scotland will be huge in areas such as: Scottish currency Central banking Financial regulation A plethora of other regulatory authorities A constitution Tax regime both personally and for companies. Welfare regime Welfare systems Possibly the largest IT project in world history to write new programs from scratch. An approach to diplomacy Diplomatic missions Relationships with entities like NATO and The UN Consulates European Union integration, timescales and conditions Defense policy For me? I'd prefer to put all that time, effort and money in to developing Scotland as is rather than spending billions on replicating what we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bojangles Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 https://medium.com/@chrisdeerin/wrestling-with-smoke-7fa728a21318 I quite like the idea that we're an unstoppable smoke monster. Those guys always kick ass in films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 No of course not. However the opportunity-loss to Scotland will be huge in areas such as: Scottish currency Central banking Financial regulation A plethora of other regulatory authorities A constitution Tax regime both personally and for companies. Welfare regime Welfare systems Possibly the largest IT project in world history to write new programs from scratch. An approach to diplomacy Diplomatic missions Relationships with entities like NATO and The UN Consulates European Union integration, timescales and conditions Defense policy For me? I'd prefer to put all that time, effort and money in to developing Scotland as is rather than spending billions on replicating what we already have. I would rather spend the billions we will need to pay for Trident on those things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/scottish-independence-david-cameron-no-campaign-windows-8 Enjoyed this article courtesy of Charlie Brooker. Nonetheless, Ed Miliband will visit Scotland to inspire people. To do what? Join Isis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/scottish-independence-david-cameron-no-campaign-windows-8 Enjoyed this article courtesy of Charlie Brooker. In general I have read the articles; whether lovebombing or fearmongering, with gritted teeth. I did have a chuckle at that though. Perhaps a little unfair as I know Brooker's sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://leftunity.org/to-scotland-with-love-report-from-the-london-says-yes-rally/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 You've just made that five year period up, haven't you? It was a wet-finger in the air guess at the amount of time it'd take for iScotland to replicate the apparatus of government that a modern state needs. I don't think it is unreasonable. I can't, of course, estimate the many billions of Groats nor the thousands of man years of effort it will take. Probably more than it's worth? iScotland will have the potential to be a great deal more stable and successful than the UK imo. Mibbes aye and mibbies naw . This is where the uncertainty kicks in. How about the imponderables of a right wing campaign to attempt to remove the UK/rUK from the EU? I know this is a notion beloved of Nats but Rangers will be a well-managed, bigot-free club living within its means and selling basil-infused tofu sandwiches on granary at catering outlets at Ibrox before rUK leaves the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I got up to 'we once had the flair and audacity to rule the world.' Understand this: it’s a distinct possibility that the Britain of David Hume, Jane Austen, Charles Darwin, Clement Attlee, Keir Hardie, Winston Churchill, John Lennon, Andy Murray – make your own list — has only 10 days left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I'm not a "Nat", old chap. Slightly ignorant of you to presume so tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 More money was wiped of the value of Scottish companies on the LSE today than Scotland makes per year in oil revenue. Think this shows a slight insight into how the markets might react to a Yes vote? Which companies? how much? how have you managed to value Scottish (as opposed to British) oil revenue? do you mean gross oil revenues or simply tax revenue? Are you really suggesting that we should change our plans on the basis of the fucking markets? The drop in value of shares may be disappointing for those shareholders but when it's based on speculation rather than actual performance it means f**k all otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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