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I say anyone who is voting yes needs to counter these scaremongering tactics from BT together especially in the case of where they know people are still undecided,i was speaking to a friend the other day and she admitted she would love to vote YES but was scared of the unknown.I simply sad if you base all your decisions around fear then you will never get anywhere in life as you will always be too scared to take control of your life.

Also i pointed out that if she had a friend who came to her who admitted that she was in a relationship that was making her really miserable and incredibly unhappy and she had received nothing but false promises over the years that things would get better but they hadn't and the only thing stopping her from ending that relationship was the fear of being on her own what WOULD she advise her friend.

Would she really advise her friend to stay in that miserable and unhappy relationship or would she not say to her friend that she would support her,that she can understand that the thought of changing things is a bit scary but once she actually does it not only will she realise there really is nothing to be scared of but she will also realise there is a big wide world out their with so many new and amazing opportunities,would't she say to her friend she DESERVES better.

I just hope all the people who really believe Scotland can actually not only survive on it's own but become a thriving and commercially successful country will get out and vote with courage not fear and let's hope that YES wins the day

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http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/07/save-the-union/

Save the Union!

o-house-of-lords-facebook.jpg?w=700&h=46By J Simon Jones

After the change in the polls the Unionist response has been all that it could be: predictably frenzied

Will Hutton, writing in the Observer, says there are now 10 days left to find a settlement to save the Union. He doesn’t realise the Union is already dead, we now have to decide whether to stay in it or go about building our own, functioning country. In a delicious bit of stock-image irony his plea for total federalism, a rejuvenation of Britain’s “liberal enlightenment” values, was at least for a time fronted by a picture of the Capitol building in Washington, DC. Apparently there wasn’t an image of a physical structure in the UK or Scotland which represented what he wanted it to. It’s now been replaced by a Union flag and a Saltire together.

After polling announced last night said there was, for the first time, a majority of voters intending to back Yes, the Unionist campaign went into overdrive in predictably self destructive fashion. The Observer announced that there would be an offer “within days” of a meeting with Scotland’s governing party “invited to take part.” How inclusive of them. Meanwhile Ed Miliband riffed on the possibility of border guards in the Mail on Sunday and Gordon Brown wrote in the Mirror that it’s all the Tories’ fault.

Politically we’ve seen Scotland’s opposition parties sent to their ideological deaths by their Westminster betters in an attempt to sell the UK’s austerity programmes, abandonment of social values and UKIP pandering to an electorate it thinks will adopt the same positions if it hears it from people with the same accents. Fortunately that’s now being debunked, with more than a third of what Labour vote remains now backing Yes, and wholesale revulsion at the cynicism of Westminster politics. Whether it’s a Yes or a No it’s clear now that Scotland’s political apparatus is completely unfit for purpose. There’s now the realistic prospect that Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MSPs would be in a position of legislating on things they’ve gleefully fought against and claimed the country shouldn’t be deciding on. Even if they had an ideological backbone their co-operation for the good of the Westminster’s colonialist mentality damns them to irrelevance after the vote.

The media hasn’t escaped, either. With the BBC facing academic studies detailing, exhaustively, its bias and inconsistencies the state broadcaster clearly isn’t the broadcaster for the right state. The question of whether Scotland should even have an organisation with that remit must be in the minds of everyone going to the ballot box on the 18th. How can we take its journalism seriously after the 18th? Print media hardly fares better, with the lead story on the Scotsman’s front page this morning about the price of Billy Connolly tickets. The collective backing of the Union, its business interests and its point of view hasn’t been reached through rigorous analysis or in-depth reporting, it’s been orders from on-high. Whether or not Scotland takes Independence its mainstream media isn’t capable of being the voice it needs to be to hold the political system to account.

It’s tempting to write, rinsed with objective cliché, that there are two options here but realistically, in the mind of any voter with a determination to change the two critical problems in our country; politics and the media, there can only be one: vote Yes. Demand more of your media outlets, your politicians and yourself and give yourself the possibility of taking charge. Otherwise you’ll wake up on the 19th with only a husk of a country to live in.

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Eh?

The EU, correctly, place sanctions on Russia for egregious violations of international law on its doorstep and you blame the UK for it? It is totally implausible that an independent Scotland would have been able to, or even right to, protect their fishermen to the exclusion of meeting the obligations of the international community to the suppression of tyranny.

Wind your fucking neck in.

I was just refering to the "broad shoulders" of the UK being able to insulate us from the unceratinty of the world (60m vs 5m etc, etc.) and yet we have to go to the EU to get support for the fishermen? Perhaps we should just wait until there is some more flooding in the south of england and get them down there. How much did DC pledge after the floods "money is no object" was his quote.

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One of the most important things left for Yes to do is get it drummed right into every single person in their networks that they must leave UKIP and the Orange Order to it.

If it ends in fighting or even angsty protests, the story will be about how the Referendum has inflamed sectarianism and "nationalism" in Scotland.

If they ugliest face of British nationalism is left to make an arse of itself, there's nothing that could convince people more to leave these c***s and their ideals behind.

Some of yous on here are clearly involved in campaigning and that. Please, please do your bit to dampen any talks of protests and that. I genuinely think successfully taking the gift that is UKIP/OO could decide this.

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Im sure they are talking 3/4 years min. Just to move the weapons down the coast.

Then we will join NATO ...lol

Don't be so stupid. The whole point of our nuclear weapons are that they are sea based. They can be moved easily. The problem is where the rUK would put them. I would expect the same amount of concern over this new location from the English/Welsh as they have historically shown when the UK decided to base their deterent in Scotland.

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One of the most important things ileft for Yes to do is get it drummed right into every single person in their networks that they must leave UKIP and the Orange Order to it.

If it ends in fighting or even angsty protests, the story will be about how the Referendum has inflamed sectarianism and "nationalism" in Scotland.

If they ugliest face of British nationalism is left to make an arse of itself, there's nothing that could convince people more to leave these c***s and their ideals behind.

Some of yous on here are clearly involved in campaigning and that. Please, please do your bit to dampen any talks of protests and that. I genuinely think successfully taking the gift that is UKIP/OO could decide this.

Correct.

You wanna check out our old pal Reynard on Twitter to see what the lunatic right are thinking.

Still with an Ian McCulloch echo haircut in his profile pic and the views of Tebbit from the same era.

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One of the most important things left for Yes to do is get it drummed right into every single person in their networks that they must leave UKIP and the Orange Order to it.

If it ends in fighting or even angsty protests, the story will be about how the Referendum has inflamed sectarianism and "nationalism" in Scotland.

If they ugliest face of British nationalism is left to make an arse of itself, there's nothing that could convince people more to leave these c***s and their ideals behind.

Some of yous on here are clearly involved in campaigning and that. Please, please do your bit to dampen any talks of protests and that. I genuinely think successfully taking the gift that is UKIP/OO could decide this.

I'm guessing this is one of Farage's main reasons for coming up.

He's primed to crack a stauner at the first sign of trouble or similar scenes to his last visit.

They don't need the slightest bit of help, we're better off letting them get on with making complete fools of themselves.

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That tells you that they are clearly only offering things as a bribe.

It's stunning that they think Scots can be bought like that.

As a people we can see straight through that sort of shite.

This is what happens when BT allow their leaders to be people who don't understand how Scots tick.

Are these the same Scots who up to four weeks ago we were puzzled as to why they were buying it?

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One of the most important things left for Yes to do is get it drummed right into every single person in their networks that they must leave UKIP and the Orange Order to it.

If it ends in fighting or even angsty protests, the story will be about how the Referendum has inflamed sectarianism and "nationalism" in Scotland.

If they ugliest face of British nationalism is left to make an arse of itself, there's nothing that could convince people more to leave these c***s and their ideals behind.

Some of yous on here are clearly involved in campaigning and that. Please, please do your bit to dampen any talks of protests and that. I genuinely think successfully taking the gift that is UKIP/OO could decide this.

Jim Murphy too. As I've said, when he was in Kilmarnock, there were more heckling him than listening to him.

Just leave him to it. But keep an eye and an ear on him.

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Massive Yes sign outside one of the mansions in the millionaires alley of Milltimber! :o

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I was born in Scotland, been living in Worthing 24 years, this independence is doing my head in, go out for a pint and silly people asking you who you would vote for, hope it's YES but think the thick people will vote no for another Tory government lol

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Massive yes sign stolen from the side of someone's house in scone.

But I thought it was the yessers that stole and damaged the no signs?

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Massive yes sign stolen from the side of someone's house in scone.

But I thought it was the yessers that stole and damaged the no signs?

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Massive yes sign stolen from the side of someone's house in scone.

But I thought it was the yessers that stole and damaged the no signs?

Thanks for pointing that out. I am going to vote yes because someone stole a sign.

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I'm guessing this is one of Farage's main reasons for coming up.

He's primed to crack a stauner at the first sign of trouble or similar scenes to his last visit.

They don't need the slightest bit of help, we're better off letting them get on with making complete fools of themselves.

100%

The Orange Order are just thick c***s. "Britain in threat, to the streets! Defend orr Brutush Communitehhh" etc.

Farage is a total c**t but he's not thick. There's absolutely no danger he thinks his campaigning in itself will do any good for the Union. His target audience are exactly the kind of middle Englanders who are most seething about us right now. Him playing victim to attacks from the rabid Jocks will be fantastic for him.

Behave ourselves and they'll be seething 8)

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The Orange Order are just thick c***s. "Britain in threat, to the streets! Defend orr Brutush Communitehhh" etc.

Farage is a total c**t but he's not thick. There's absolutely no danger he thinks his campaigning in itself will do any good for the Union. His target audience are exactly the kind of middle Englanders who are most seething about us right now. Him playing victim to attacks from the rabid Jocks will be fantastic for him.

Behave ourselves and they'll be seething 8)

Its usually the orange order telling people to behave themselves. It says a lot about the yes campaigners that they need to be told to behave themselves.

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See how shit an argument it is to whine about things like this to win favour?

Well that was his point cunto.

I know that was his point fannyo. If you believe people are pursuaded by such petty arguments and one upmanship then why are there still so many undecided voters.

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Its usually the orange order telling people to behave themselves. It says a lot about the yes campaigners that they need to be told to behave themselves.

No it doesn't

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Its usually the orange order telling people to behave themselves. It says a lot about the yes campaigners that they need to be told to behave themselves.

So you support the Orange Order in their campaign of hatred, violence and terrorist sympathising?

I think it's entirely right that any fair minded individual would be appalled by their brazen attempts to justify their organisation. Perhaps not you though?

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